CSA - A Joke!!

hamstercheeks_2

donnadoo515 wrote: »

Ahh, well that's a new one on us then,makes things quite interesting.

Just out of interest,How would her mum (ex) claim for her daughters baby? would it be a caring allowance or something?

eh?? claimfor her grandkid?? no surely not:mad:

Loopy_Girl

donnadoo515 wrote: »

Ahh, well that's a new one on us then,makes things quite interesting.

Just out of interest,How would her mum (ex) claim for her daughters baby? would it be a caring allowance or something?

No it's still CB. If she was under 16 then she would obviously be classed as a minor but as she had had a baby and the baby was living with the gran then she could put the claim in. She can't claim for the baby after the Mum is 16 though.

Babies still need nappies and milk and there is an entitlement from when it is born.

zirithium

My son is 8. When he was 5 my ex husband walked out on me to live with his mistress and her 5 children. He has not paid a penny towards my sons upbringing since. The whole CSA thing is on going (and going and going) as he's self employed. I wouldnt mind if he bought my son something - such as school uniform or a winter jacket etc - instead of handing over money. Me and my new husband both have good jobs but dads should be forced to contribute THERE IS NO RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY about it surely! did your partner, when he stopped paying, instead put the money into a trust fund ready for when contact was re-established? im sorry, but its too easy for some men to "write off" paying. If i refused to contribute towards my son financially i would be charged with neglect, why should it be ok not to just because the children arent with the dad

donnadoo515

zirithium wrote: »

My son is 8. When he was 5 my ex husband walked out on me to live with his mistress and her 5 children. He has not paid a penny towards my sons upbringing since. The whole CSA thing is on going (and going and going) as he's self employed. I wouldnt mind if he bought my son something - such as school uniform or a winter jacket etc - instead of handing over money. Me and my new husband both have good jobs but dads should be forced to contribute THERE IS NO RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY about it surely! did your partner, when he stopped paying, instead put the money into a trust fund ready for when contact was re-established? im sorry, but its too easy for some men to "write off" paying. If i refused to contribute towards my son financially i would be charged with neglect, why should it be ok not to just because the children arent with the dad

I think that this is a slightly different circumstance here...It sounds like your ex is not WILLING to contribute,my partner has tried so desperatly hard to be a part of his childrens life.
As for a trust fund,He pays into a trust fund every month for all 6 of his children,they will get this when they are 18.

You say it is too easy for men to "write off" paying...i think you are being a bit harsh here..not all men and certinatly not all dads are the same,please do not tar them with the same brush as your ex.

donnadoo515

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

No it's still CB. If she was under 16 then she would obviously be classed as a minor but as she had had a baby and the baby was living with the gran then she could put the claim in. She can't claim for the baby after the Mum is 16 though.

Hi, thanks so much for all your advise...I am relaying it all to my partner lol.

Would my partners ex be refused then when making a claim for CB? as his daughter will be 16 in July and due late August....sorry to be a pain :rotfl:

Loopy_Girl

What I think happens is that when the child is approaching 16 they write to the parent and ask what is happening (continuing education etc), now she may contact them and say that her daughter is continuing school (which she is - though to be honest, can you see it happening?! a teenage Mum with a newborn up all night and then trying to get to school? This pregnancy school may be different and encourage them but I know that for the first 9 months of my daughter's life I went through life in a fog - and I was 26 - and there's no way I could have done a day at school) but what I would think (and should happen) is that when the daughter puts in her claim for her own baby it should trigger the closure of the claim for ex.

I think the best thing to do is keep on top of it and when she has had the baby, get in touch with the CSA and let them know that she has had the baby so therefore will be claiming CB therefore the ex can't be claiming CB for her.

oesd31

I have to disagree with you LG my daughter fell pregnant at 15 and was 16 when she gave birth . To cut a long story short whilst daughter was old enough to claim for herself my ex claimed CB and CTC for both our daughter and grandchild as it is depends on who has the main responsibility for the baby. I will find the web address witht he details and will post it. As I say my ex claimed for them both and my daughter claimed for child care under the Learner Support Programme Care to Learn up to £160 per week for her to carry on with her studies. I contacted the CSA to be told my ex was playing a very clever game however she was doing nothing wrong and therefore I still had to pay CS. My daughter has since left education as it wasn't for her.

Loopy_Girl

Interesting. The advice I gave was how I knew it but obviously if you are saying what happened to you then there are ways around it.

I would have thought at 16 (and in the eyes of the law being classed as an adult) then you take responsilbility for your own child unless you formally give it up - even if you are still staying in the family home.

I suppose in the OP's case then this is what could happen.

Personally I don't think it should but I don't make the rules (obviously!)

oesd31

This is from http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/keep-up-to-date/changes-affect/family-change/child-has-child.htm

Your child has a child - who can claim tax credits?
If you're getting tax credits for your child and they have a baby they may be able to make a tax credits claim for themselves. If they do this, you won't be able to claim for them anymore. If your child and the baby are both living with you, you can make a claim for both children.
When your child can make a claim

As long as your child is over 16 and is responsible for the baby they can make a tax credits claim for themselves.
We can only backdate payments for up to three months so it's best to tell us about the new baby as soon as possible. For example if the baby was born on 1 January but you tell us on 1 June, we can only pay the extra tax credits from 1 March.
Can you claim tax credits for both children?

If your child is under the age of 16 - or over 16 but under 20 and still qualifies for tax credits because they are in education or training - you can still get tax credits for them. If you look after your child's child as well, you can get tax credits for both of them.

From the CB web
You can also claim Child Benefit for a child even if you're not their parent, but you have to be responsible for them to qualify.

It will depend on weather she is going on to further education and the definition of who is responsible for the child/who looks after them. In my case my ex would have lost the CB, CTC and CS if our daughter claimed in her own right.

I don't see how you can be a qualifying young person and a parent with care at the same time but hey i don't make the rules and the CSA keep changing them.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Loopy_Girl

What constitues being 'responsible' though (am talking about the 'gran' claiming CB for the baby)?

I would imagine that any 16 year old would need alot of support from their parents when having a baby but surely the responsibility lies with the actual mother and not the gran.


So basically if she goes back to school and the ex claims responsibility for the baby then the ex can claim CB and CTC for both baby and daughter...and then the OP's hubby would still be liable for CS.

Of course OP this all hinges on her staying at school. If she jacks it in then she will need to make the claim herself and then the CS for her will stop.

I have learned something new here so am sorry if I gave you false hope but it wasn't intended.

What you will need to do is, when she has had the baby, ask the CSA to check if there is still a live claim for CB for her (the daughter).