Appealing redundancy

MissLondon

I was made redundant yesterday and am appealing the decision based on the selection criteria not being objectively marked (2 people for 1 job and they kept the other person). I asked HR what would happen if I won my appeal and they said I would be reinstated. I obviously wouldn't be appealing if I didn't think I have a good chance of winning.

Surely they made the job redundant so does that mean my colleague gets made redundant or would they keep both of us on? I was really hoping for a better pay offer rather than returning to work with the people that scored me (I am a little bitter at the whole process!)

Has anyone won an appeal and got paid off? Or what happened?

Horace

Appeal the redundancy anyway - it is the job that is made redundant so I cannot see why there are two people and one job and they kept one person on and not the other.

honeypop

Horace wrote: »

Appeal the redundancy anyway - it is the job that is made redundant so I cannot see why there are two people and one job and they kept one person on and not the other.

Maybe they only needed one person to do the job now, that's why one was made redundant.

We have just gone through an appeal process following a redundancy at work and I can tell you what would happen. In short, if you appealed on the scoring of the selection criteria, both yours and the other persons would have to be re-looked at by someone who was not involved in the original process if possible. If it is deemed correct that it was marked incorrectly and that you would have 'won', then you would be re-instated and the other person would then be redundant. They wouldn't keep you both as they needed one to go in the first place.

It is very doubtful that the fact you may have won out over the other person would mean they will give you a better pay-off. The point of appealing is that you believe the wrong person lost the job due to the scoring, and therefore you want your job back.

You wouldn't be entitled to anything more than what you've already been offered if you won or lost the appeal.

savingholmes

I personally don't believe that you would win an appeal. Managers don't go into redundancy situations lightly and unless they have done something blatantly discriminatory then your chances of winning are remote. You could ask to see your own scoring sheet but you have no right to see the other person's... If you won your appeal they would presumably make the other person redundant or alternatively are quite likely to quietly harass/victimise you into leaving....

Sorry if you feel I am painting a black picture but personally I would take the money and run and try and find a better job. For me the only benefit of appealing is if it delays your finish date and you get paid for longer - but at most companies it doesn't even do that as they finish you up and say if your appeal was successful they would consider reinstating you....

HTH

CluelessJock

MissLondon wrote: »

I was made redundant yesterday and am appealing the decision based on the selection criteria not being objectively marked (2 people for 1 job and they kept the other person).

On what basis do you claim the selection criteria was not objective?

hoggums

You don't sound like a very nice person - you are trying to get the other person to lose his/her job instead. How do you think that will make everyone feel about you in the office.

I agree with savingholmes - I think you are too bitter to think straight and accept the situation. It's not very nice being made redundant - it's happened to me twice, but the strong of character get on with finding another job rather than getting bitter and twisted about it. You need to be objective about yourself - were you really that much better than the other person in ALL respects?

Pete111

Wow Hoggums.

You know nothing about MissLondon and you think her looking into her legal right to appeal makes her a bad person? I wish I came across more like you in my work - making redundancies would be easy, I would just give you a guilt trip!

Lets be honest here the only party trying to lose anyone their job is the company making the redundacy - and we assume they are not doing that on a whim. Misslondon is a victim of circumstance and is wholly justifiable in trying to do the best for herself in a difficult situation - at the end of the day noone else is going to stand up for you but you!

That said appeals usually do fail - as posted previously though they are a necessary step in taking any further action should you continue to feel the redundancy is/was unfair.

CluelessJock

Pete111 wrote: »

Misslondon is a victim of circumstance and is wholly justifiable in trying to do the best for herself in a difficult situation.

Is that so; even if the Company has behaved properly and any action is a waste of money and time? Too often the attitude of employees' is they have nothing to lose and stuff the Company (not suggesting this is the case here).

Please bear in mind that many on this thread are giving advice to Misslondon having taken her one side of the story as accurate and have not as much as questioned her.

Pete111

CluelessJock - I agree that timewasting appeals are annoying, I have sat through too many to count.

However, if she geniunely feels the process was not objective then Misslondon should look closely at her right to appeal - how anyone thinks that automatically makes her a fundamentally bad person is completely beyond me. :rolleyes:

CluelessJock

I agree too many assumptions are being made, without suffcient knowledge. That is why I asked why she believes the decision was not objective.

The fact is good employees are hard to find and companies are unlikely to get rid of the better of the two. That said it is not beyond the realms of possibility that there is a personal vendetta.

I am interested in hearing her reasoning.

Pete111

Fair enough Clueless. You are certainly right in that Mgt are not usually keen to Bin the better employee! (though 'better' can sometimes mean 'employee they are mates with'...)

Miss London can you give us more re this?