5 x 2.5 Conservatory

bobby9205

Hi All,

any ideas how much I should be paying for a 5m x 2.5 metre all glass- no dwarf wall conservatory with a set of double doors, a single door and two top openers.

I will be doing the foundations and fitting myself.

I have been quoted £7500 for a "garden room" from Crystal Canopies, these require no foundations and hang from your existing wall and they state you dont need planning permission as theres no foundations, is this true?

Cheers, Bobby.

markie1980

I'll be honest - i don't like the idea of that garden room thing!
For starters, you need a good patio so if you haven't got on you still need to do base work, whats to stop water just running under the cill, there is no dampproof in the floor and not enough hieght to add a decent screed etc.

What style of roof are you after for the conservatory?

markie1980

oh, i forgot to add - you would probably not need planning permission for a proper conservatory either, so it probably is true.
And I also think you would get a proper conservatory for alot less than that if you are doing the foundations and fitting yourself.

planning_officer

bobby9205 wrote: »

I have been quoted £7500 for a "garden room" from Crystal Canopies, these require no foundations and hang from your existing wall and they state you dont need planning permission as theres no foundations, is this true?

In a word, no! It's complete rubbish and if they're telling customers that, it's very misleading. Any extension can require planning permission - doesn't matter if it's made of bricks, glass or cheese! Foundations have nothing whatsoever to do with it. However, many conservatories and small extensions do benefit from permitted development rights - if you have a detached house, you can extend up to 4m in depth (single storey) from the original rear wall of the property or if it's a semi or terrace house, you can extend up to 3m in depth. Both these apply to the rear wall of the original house - and not the rear wall of any subsequent extensions.

bobby9205

Thanks for the replys.

I cant use permitted development as Ive used my allowance up already on an extension and a loft conversion! So its looks like Im at the mercy of planning permission, which as Ive pi**ed the neighbours of cos they didnt like the fact that I put a loft conversion on (and they couldnt stop me due to permitted development) I think I wont get permssion cos they will complain.

Im after a lean to type of conservatory.

planning_officer

Before 1 Oct 2008, permitted development was volume-based, so it was quite easy to 'use up' the allowance - however, since 1 Oct it is no longer volume based and you can still extend up to 3m in depth from the original rear wall of a dwelling (or 4m if detached) and any other extensions make no difference to this provision. Where is the existing extension? If you've already extended across the back of the house, it may that there is no 'original rear wall' left to extend from, so you may need permission.

Also, whether a neighbour objects or not makes no real difference to a planning application - it can only be refused on genuine planning grounds, like overlooking, being intrusive or affecting the character of the locality.

bobby9205

planning_officer wrote: »

Before 1 Oct 2008, permitted development was volume-based, so it was quite easy to 'use up' the allowance - however, since 1 Oct it is no longer volume based and you can still extend up to 3m in depth from the original rear wall of a dwelling (or 4m if detached) and any other extensions make no difference to this provision. Where is the existing extension? If you've already extended across the back of the house, it may that there is no 'original rear wall' left to extend from, so you may need permission.

Also, whether a neighbour objects or not makes no real difference to a planning application - it can only be refused on genuine planning grounds, like overlooking, being intrusive or affecting the character of the locality.

Thanks for the info planning_officer.

The existing extension is acorss the back of the house and extends 2.7 metres out and we want a conservatory that extends a further 2.5 metres so I think based on your info we will probably need permission. I have checked and with the extension and garage and the new conservatory we will be no where near covering over the half of the original footprint of the existing house, so is there any other objections I should look out for?

I hear what your saying about the neighbours objecting, I did think that they would need a genuine reason to complain but if enough people object does that not sway the planning officers decision?

Cheers, Bobby.

planning_officer

Not really - any objections have to be planning issues so if lots of people write in to say they just don't like something, if it's acceptable in planning terms, it won't make any difference.

There are several other criteria to comply with if a conservatory is to be PD, but to be honest they're not too relevant - unless it will have eaves of over 3m in height and within 2m of a boundary, which is highly unlikely for a conservatory! If you're in a National Park, AONB or conservation area, then you can't project beyond the side wall of the dwelling either - and if there's a road to the side, you can't project beyond the side wall, no matter where you live. The main restriction in your case is the 4m depth beyond the original rear wall.

bobby9205

planning_officer wrote: »

Not really - any objections have to be planning issues so if lots of people write in to say they just don't like something, if it's acceptable in planning terms, it won't make any difference.

There are several other criteria to comply with if a conservatory is to be PD, but to be honest they're not too relevant - unless it will have eaves of over 3m in height and within 2m of a boundary, which is highly unlikely for a conservatory! If you're in a National Park, AONB or conservation area, then you can't project beyond the side wall of the dwelling either - and if there's a road to the side, you can't project beyond the side wall, no matter where you live. The main restriction in your case is the 4m depth beyond the original rear wall.

Cheers,
Spoke with the planning dept today who confirm I will need planning permission as the consevatory will extend beyond 4 metres, however he did also say that he could see no reason why we would be refused permission should we apply even if the neighbours do object.

Just need to get some plans drawn now!