Speeding Ticket

braithers_2

Hi,

Under a fixed penalty notice for speeding, does the officer that is issuing it have to put the speed down which i was doing?

The officer said i was doing 87mph to me, but both my tomtom and dash board said 75mph.

I went into the police station to ask for proof of speeding and i was told i can't have this information and would need to contest the case in court to get it, surely this isn't right?

Hope someone can help me.

Thanks in advance!

Rolandtheroadie

I didnt think a sat nav and a speedo would read the same (unless the speedo is calibrated).
Did you see the officer who was monitoring your speed and brake?
And I wouldnt think a good line of defence is yes I was breaking the speed limit but I wasnt doing 87.

I think theres a speeding/parking board somewhere on here and a website that could perhaps help you get off if proper procedures havent been followed. That'd be your best bet.
I'm sure someone will be along in a moment that can tell you for sure.

Treadway1

I cant see how your speedo and satnav could have the same reading, as speedos are generally set a few miles per hour higher than true speed to account for difference in tyre depths, and how inflated/deflated the tyres are (i.e. youll always be going slower than the speedo says). Satnav is more accurate as your position is calculated by how long it takes a signal to hit your satnav, then return to the satellite, and after doing this a few times, it can accurately judge your speed. Therefore, the two should always have at least a couple of mph difference (Except at very low speed of course).

Also, it is true that you cant get evidence of the offence until you go to court. This is because speeding is not a recordable offence, therefore the usual rules regarding disclosure of evidence dont apply. Its only when you elect to argue the case, and it gets lodged at court that you can ask for disclosure.

Lastly, as Ive mentioned above, your speedo will always read a few mph above the speed your actually doing, usually around 10% higher. So if the officer is right, and you were clocked at 87mph, then your speedo would have been reading around 95mph. On the other hand, if you are right, and your dash was only reading 75mph, then your actual speed would have probably been between 65-70mph, which obviously doesnt seem right, as you wouldnt have even been pulled over (Assuming you were on a motorway that is).

Not trying to be funny or anything, but from how youve described the scene, and how Ive explained it above, it does sound a little like you know you were speeding, and are now just trying to get out of the fine/points. If this isnt the case, and you genuinely werent speeding then I wish you the best of luck if you choose to fight it, but honestly, if you know youve done it, youre probably best just taking the fine and points and putting it down as a stupid mistake. The consequences of trying to wriggle out of it dont make it worth the risk IMO.

MaximumImpact

Hi,

Under a fixed penalty notice for speeding, does the officer that is issuing it have to put the speed down which i was doing?

The officer said i was doing 87mph to me, but both my tomtom and dash board said 75mph.

I went into the police station to ask for proof of speeding and i was told i can't have this information and would need to contest the case in court to get it, surely this isn't right?

Hope someone can help me.

Thanks in advance!

The officer would have explained to you roadside how to contest the ticket and how your speed was measured and shown you the device if there was one unless it was done via his calibrated speedo. Why did you go to the Police station, they wouldn't have any ''evidence''????

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers!

Treadway1 wrote: »

I cant see how your speedo and satnav could have the same reading, as speedos are generally set a few miles per hour higher than true speed to account for difference in tyre depths, and how inflated/deflated the tyres are (i.e. youll always be going slower than the speedo says). Satnav is more accurate as your position is calculated by how long it takes a signal to hit your satnav, then return to the satellite, and after doing this a few times, it can accurately judge your speed. Therefore, the two should always have at least a couple of mph difference (Except at very low speed of course).

Some vehicle speedometers are very accurate, Mitsubishi for one. And signals do not return from a satnav to a satellite. A satnav unit is a receiver, not a transceiver.

Treadway1 wrote: »

Also, it is true that you cant get evidence of the offence until you go to court. This is because speeding is not a recordable offence, therefore the usual rules regarding disclosure of evidence dont apply. Its only when you elect to argue the case, and it gets lodged at court that you can ask for disclosure.

This is a fixed penalty notice. Should the OP decline and go to court, all evidence against him must be made available.

Treadway1 wrote: »

Lastly, as Ive mentioned above, your speedo will always read a few mph above the speed your actually doing, usually around 10% higher. So if the officer is right, and you were clocked at 87mph, then your speedo would have been reading around 95mph. On the other hand, if you are right, and your dash was only reading 75mph, then your actual speed would have probably been between 65-70mph, which obviously doesnt seem right, as you wouldnt have even been pulled over (Assuming you were on a motorway that is).

As I've already said, this is not necessarily correct.

nomoneytoday

In doing so, you have admitted speeding, albeit at 75 not 87mph.

The penalty for both in the same. £60 tax and a quarter share of your licence. Alternatively, you have the right to go before a court and possibly pay more money if you lose, or have the case thrown out if you win

HO87

How was your speed measured? Did the officer use a laser/radar device or did he follow you in a patrol vehicle?

As part of the EFPN procedure the OP may well have had to visit the station in order to surrender his licence/produce other documents.

colin13

at 75mph,u would probably not get done as a general rule it is 10-%plus 2 mph which makes it 79 mph,,but this is just a general ting and not a rule

sarahg1969

colin13 wrote: »

at 75mph,u would probably not get done as a general rule it is 10-%plus 2 mph which makes it 79 mph,,but this is just a general ting and not a rule

Hang on a minute- the OP hasn't said what the speed limit was. Unless you know it was 70?

Treadway1

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

Some vehicle speedometers are very accurate, Mitsubishi for one. Very true, which is why I said they are GENERALLY set higher than true speed, and regardless of how accurate the manafacturer has made them, there are many other factors in what speed will be shown. For instance, as Ive already said, over or under inflated tyres will give a different reading, as will changing brands of tyre from that which the manafacturer recommends. And signals do not return from a satnav to a satellite. A satnav unit is a receiver, not a transceiver. Ok, you have me on this one. I dont know exactly how they work, I just know that they are generally more accurate as they are receiving 'real time' information on your speed. Someone on here a while ago explained exactly how this worked, and I was trying to remember what they said.... clearly I didnt!



This is a fixed penalty notice. Should the OP decline and go to court, all evidence against him must be made available. Thats exactly what I said. Until the matter is contested, you cannot apply to review the evidence.



As I've already said, this is not necessarily correct. And as Ive said above, not necessarily correct, but generally (and for the most part) it is.

I hope this all makes sense.