On what grounds can an Employer ask for a CRB check on an Employee

Takoda

If the OP is honest and the employer is going to pay for the disclosure then why worry?


The form is now a lot shorter than it used to be - just basic stuff now and that's the enhanced one! Takes 5 minutes to fill in.

JoeBreakdown

Hi

I wonder if anyone can help me?

I had my interview for an EO position at the weekend.
Yesterday, I received a CRB form to complete and return. Does this suggest I passed my interview, or do they send that out to everybody who attended an interview?

My interview was on the 14th, the letter was dated the 17th, so I imagine it's a response to the interview.

Thanking you in advance,

Joe

-BA-

Well not totally sure on this one. Filling in the form and returning it does not mean they will necessarily forward it on for processing which would then generate the cost. It is certainly a good indicator as an employer is unlikely to CRB check all candidates and will only CRB check when they are ready to make an offer. It could just be an effort to shorten the time between making an offer to the successful candidate and receiving the CRB check back.

Your best bet is to wait for the offer itself and make sure you have it backed up in writing.

Sorry couldn't be more constructive but it is a bit to ambiguous to assume you have been successful at this stage.

JoeBreakdown

Agreed. I thought it was odd that they sent it to me so quickly after the interview, especially after I filled one in on the morning of the interview anyway.
I seem to be doing everything over and over again, it's rather frustrating.

I've also applied for the position in two other locations, so I suppose i'll have to turn up for the tests again, aven though I have pssed, fill in the same forms again, hand over another passport photo etc etc!

gingerdad

duchy wrote: »

I hold both enhanced CRB (done when I invigilated at a school last summer) and Disclosure Scotland (done by my employer as I have access to personal and financial records for the biggest tv/internet conpany's customers).
Certainly is not illegal -and if you've been honest on your job application then what's the problem ?

I think you'll find under the letter of the law it is illegal to crb in that situation....just they don't seem to whish to enforce the law as it was written, most CRB's done at present are illegal.....

joeblack066

The OP needs to clarify which CRB it is, enhanced or disclosure Scotland, as it is enhanced that get done for workingwith Children or Vunerable Adults, and DS for holding a position of responsibility, ie Pub Landlord, or working with money.
The OP also needs to understand that they can't do this check without him/her providing the necessary details, proof of ID etc, as it reads as if they are worried that it will be done without their consent/ knowledge, which is impossible. Joe.

Savvy_Sue

JoeBreakdown wrote: »

Agreed. I thought it was odd that they sent it to me so quickly after the interview, especially after I filled one in on the morning of the interview anyway.

Good excuse to phone and check, "Sorry to bother you, but you've sent me a CRB form even though I filled on in that morning, does this mean you want to offer me the job?"

MrsE_2

fengirl wrote: »

That is exactly the point the BBC article was making - jobs such as finance, etc are not covered by the CRB requirements which relate only to working with children, vulnerable adults, etc.

I work in finance & I have to be enhanced CRB checked, as I work for SS, but I NEVER go near a client, but am party to confidential info.

Glittermonkey

We carry out CRB checks on all our staff. I work in retail dealing with money.

We wouldn't employe anybody with a criminal record, especially any types of fraud!

Richardm1973

I find the ignorance of the law here really quite disturbing. The previous posters comment that most CRB checks are illegal was indeed correct. Most of you here wrongly assume that an employer has a legal right to use a CRB to ascertain whether an employee has a criminal record. This is not the purpose of CRB. The purpose of the CRB is purely to protect children and vulnerable adults. I'll repeat that - The purpose of the CRB is purely to protect children and vulnerable adults. Thus teaching, NHS and the usual are covered as to jobs involving contact with sensitive information or looking after a vulnerable person's finances.

Enhanced disclosure - Regulated activity - Enhanced Disclosure should only be used when the employee is undertaking a regulated activity such as social work or care work that requires regular close contact with a children or vulnerable adult. Any other use is illegal.....Controlled activities are only allowed to be standard disclosure and the following outlines what may be the lesser 'controlled Activity'

What is a Controlled Activity? - Standard Disclosure
[FONT=Tahoma,Tahoma][FONT=Tahoma,Tahoma]A Controlled Activity is defined as covering the work of: [/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma,Tahoma][FONT=Tahoma,Tahoma]Ancillary support workers FE, NHS and adult social care which is done frequently and gives the opportunity for contact with children and/or vulnerable adults. See below for definitions of children and vulnerable adults. [/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings,Wingdings] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma,Tahoma][FONT=Tahoma,Tahoma]People working frequently for specified organisations in roles which give them opportunity for access to sensitive records about children and/or vulnerable adults. See below for definition of specified organisations. [/FONT][/FONT]

There are some small exceptions for Certain specified positions of responsibility which incliude being the Director of children's services or being the Director of a Social Services Authority which aren't really worth going in to as that seems pretty obvious. Also contrary to poular belief solicitors who work outside family law proceedings only have a standard disclosure (and only from 2003) and barrister's aren't required to complete any disclosure at all.

Just to confuse matters further, from Oct 2009 we now have the ISA vetting & BArring Scheme which is a new scheme that contains a list of all those barred from working with children & vulnerable Adults. So, the essence of the scheme is a list of people who for a variety of reasons (including soft intelligence/gossip) are barred from working with children or vulnerable adults. Therefore to work with either category a fee needs to be paid so that your employer can be satisfied that you're not one of the expected 11.3 million on this list. (And this list only includes convictions going back to 1997).
Therefore I hope you can now see that this does not include a job being sat in a back office adding up on a spreadsheets!!


Of course all of these sophisticated lists sounds wonderful until we remind ourselves that the vast majority of abuse ocurrs within the home by someone known to the victim...


See here for further clear guidance

google: 'back check exceptions order PDF' for clear guidance (as a new user I can't post the link, but it is the first one if you google those words.