Buying OS - Windows XP OEM version

mrian_2

anewhope wrote: »

So? It's still not legal.

I didn't know that Microsofts ambiguos EULA's formed part of the UK's legal constitution! I will have to watch out for when the Microsoft police come a knocking

knowledgepower1

anewhope wrote: »

So? It's still not legal.

The board has rules in place that cover the discussion of such topics, so why don't you stick to them? I'm sure Martin doesn't want any undue attention being brought to the forum from free loaders like yourself.

Ahh sorry Mr/mrs Anewhope. I read somewhere microsoft only sold about 220 retail copies of XP in China in the past years. So dont blame me.

mrian_2

badoosh wrote: »

Thats completey wrong, SP1 and SP2 and plain old XP are COA dependant.

Utter rubbish.

badoosh wrote: »

If you install XP via CD that is the original XP with no SP how do you install the SP, you will have to get updates from windows.

Obviously you get the updates from Microsoft! (windows update)

badoosh wrote: »

Yes it is depending on what version you have, component dependant or non component dependant.

More utter rubbish. XP is NOT component dependant.

badoosh wrote: »

Put the theory to the test, if you run sfc and have the wrong disc even both are OEM it will tell you that you have the wrong version, sfc wont run if the original disc had no service pack files and you have a disc with SP2 on it.

Why?

Them as can do and them as can't lecture.

oem is oem is oem.

[Deleted User]

mrian wrote: »

I didn't know that Microsofts ambiguos EULA's formed part of the UK's legal constitution! I will have to watch out for when the Microsoft police come a knocking

Well, maybe you should take a look at the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 which covers software piracy.

knowledgepower1 wrote: »

Ahh sorry Mr/mrs Anewhope. I read somewhere microsoft only sold about 220 retail copies of XP in China in the past years. So dont blame me.

How is that relevant in any way?

mrian_2

badoosh wrote: »

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You clearly have no idea about XP or any other OS for that matter, I would love to audit any PCs you have ever played with.

Wiki and even MS say that XP can be component dependant depending on the version of the OEM, so why dont you phone up MS and tell them they have it all wrong.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Does this site get many trolls :think:

If you do audit PC's you may well have audited some I have played with (there are plenty out there and none with problems).
I have explained at least twice about componant dependancy. (It is irrelevant) I am wondering if you are getting confused with having to reactivate Windows after you have changed a number of major components (on any XP version)?

Anyway, I know that oem is oem is oem and I know that I can load any oem version on any PC or laptop wether or not it is componant dependant:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: or not using any oem XP CD. So all this is getting pointless.

If you have any oem COA's going spare which are obviouly no good to you please feel free to send them to me.

Also why not have a look on ebay at the German sellers who are selling oem's and ask them about oem being oem, they are straightforward people and I am sure that they will concur.

mrian_2

badoosh wrote: »

You could but activation maybe a pain, thats why a FFP Version is needed.

Do you mean FPP?

badoosh wrote: »

No you cant if its a hardware component version, and you certainly cant install a recovery CD onto a PC even if it is XP capable as thats just the inside gubbings and is irrelvant, putting a recovery CD in a PC thats the best one yet, if you did that all the device drivers would be wrong and wheres the pointer file to the partition as some recovert CDs point to a partition if you did that on a blank HDD nothing would happen.

The Dell recovery CD is actually a reinstallation CD, I do apologise I should not have used the word recovery.

My question is have you ever tried to do any installing of oems with 2nd hand coa's and oem software? I very much doubt it. If you have then please let me know the combinations and any problems you encountered or maybe it just worked and you thought you were lucky.

I recently have put an OS on a Dell using an e-machines (I think) coa and also assembled a new PC on which I used a Dell coa. I never have problems installing and activating and validating.
Maybe you are right and it cannot be done.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

AirCooledHeaven

loksat wrote: »

Hi,

Can anyone suggest the best and cheap place to buy Windows XP. I checked online and not sure which are genuine.

Thanks
Loks.

Got my last XP PRO SP2 OEM CD from ebay for £48 including COA, fully legit.

But you have to buy very carefully on ebay, anything under 40 quid I'd be suspicious of.

AirCooledHeaven

mrian wrote: »

You will have no problem with this, it will not be counterfeit. It will be a previously activated coa which will activate again with no problem at all. It came from Germany because in Germany the courts ruled that Microsoft were acting illegaly in not allowing people to buy and sell second hand COA's. Sadly there is no ruling in the UK so if I advertise a genuine XP OEM on ebay they remove my listing but German sellers can list on ebay with no problem. £13 is a good price, I normally charge £25 for the genuine item.

I thought the OEM version didn't require activation? The OEM versions I've bought (legit with COA and COA sticker) have never requested activation during installation??

gjchester

mrian wrote:

It will be a previously activated coa which will activate again with no problem at all. It came from Germany because in Germany the courts ruled that Microsoft were acting illegaly in not allowing people to buy and sell second hand COA's.

mrian wrote:

If you have any oem COA's going spare which are obviouly no good to you please feel free to send them to me.

Also why not have a look on ebay at the German sellers who are selling oem's and ask them about oem being oem, they are straightforward people and I am sure that they will concur.

The German ruling was not about used COA's it was about selling OEM software that was originally intended for distribution with a computer later being sold without hardware, and the example quoted was if a company went bust having bought a ton of OEM software then what happens to the licences if they are sold on as a business asset obviously without the hardware.

OEM softare is permitted to be installed on one machine, you cannot move it to another machine under the terms of the licence you agree to by installing it. OEM sold on ebay are not second hand, they are NEW OEM software.

AirCooledHeaven wrote:

I thought the OEM version didn't require activation? The OEM versions I've bought (legit with COA and COA sticker) have never requested activation during installation??

Depends on the vendor, the disks sold to Dell, HP etc may or may not need activations, Dell usually don't, HP sometimes do, sometimes not. Sometimes they use generic codes and when you go to use Windows update they ask you to enter the code on the sticker.
Smaller OEM's (your local PC store) may get disks that require activation everytime. Lets fact it Dell, HP are big enough to dictate some terms to MS, your local store who sells maybe 25PC's a year has to live with what MS tell them.

AirCooledHeaven

gjchester wrote: »

Depends on the vendor, the disks sold to Dell, HP etc may or may not need activations, Dell usually don't, HP sometimes do, sometimes not. Sometimes they use generic codes and when you go to use Windows update they ask you to enter the code on the sticker.
Smaller OEM's (your local PC store) may get disks that require activation everytime. Lets fact it Dell, HP are big enough to dictate some terms to MS, your local store who sells maybe 25PC's a year has to live with what MS tell them.

All the OEM CDs I've purchased (I build PCs for my customers) have had no manufacturer branding on the COA sticker, whereas all the laptops I buy (HP,Dell, Toshiba) have the brand on the COA sticker???