Council tax paying Public Sector pensions

donaldtramp

Here is the full table of how much you are paying PER PERSON to fund YOUR local Council employees pension fund.

Have a look through and see how much every man, woman and child in your household is topping up the pensions of YOUR local Council staff.
It makes interesting reading. My household is paying nearly £100 per person per year to my Council to subsidise their pensions,
It ain't fair.
How do all the public sector "defenders" argue this away when it is published in black and white from Freedom of Information requests?

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CSU2-pensions.pdf

treliac

donaldtramp wrote: »

Here is the full table of how much you are paying PER PERSON to fund YOUR local Council employees pension fund.

Have a look through and see how much every man, woman and child in your household is topping up the pensions of YOUR local Council staff.
It makes interesting reading. My household is paying nearly £100 per person per year to my Council to subsidise their pensions,
It ain't fair.
How do all the public sector "defenders" argue this away when it is published in black and white from Freedom of Information requests?

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CSU2-pensions.pdf

Goodness, how many thousands of employees is your household sponsoring?

donaldtramp

Eh? If numbers and sums are too much trouble all you need to do is ask.
It is nothing to be ashamed off. There are lots of places you can get assistance to learn.

beingjdc

Pensions are part of the benefits package that attracts people to do a job. If there weren't pensions, they'd have to pay more.

I don't understand the logic here - of course Council Tax pays for the wages and employment benefits given to council staff, that's the point, isn't it? My bank charges pay Fred Goodwin's pension, I don't especially like it, but there we go.

Sounds like a lot on council tax, but that's partly because council tax only provides the funding for about 25% worth of council services - so actually unless you assume the council tax is hypothecated you should divide all those numbers by four - or completely, given the pension scheme isn't decided by councils but by government, and therefore should be assumed to be part of central government funding, not locally raised monies.

I await someone following this up with the uninformed and debunked claim that public sector workers earn more, we haven't had that one for a while...

mewbie_2

It's easy to be jealous of pensions when you've spent a lifetime p1ssing it up the wall and generally not planning for the future, and now thinking about what retirement might mean.

I should know.

However I'm not jealous. I just wish I'd done something sensible.. just once. Silly mewbie.

donaldtramp

Uninformed:rotfl:
It's in here BLACK AND WHITE.They are on average PAID MORE.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/4807909/The-monster-created-by-Labour-must-be-tamed.html

Part of the benefits package??? To take from other people what even they themselves aren't entitled to?
And you are totally incorrect. I don't "have to divide these numbers by 4". It is in black and white. Figure paid into public sector pension pot per Council divided by number of residents. Do you grasp this? Understand? If not get back to me and I'll take an example and prove it to you. Sigh:rolleyes:....
Fred Goodwins pensions pales into insignificance when compared to the MILLIONS of people on the public sector gravy train.
Never mind only another 12 months or so of Brown and his cronies. It'll all have to be sorted out eventually.
I wouldn't expect that the public sector will get away with this much longer. If I were you, I wouldn't rely on it carrying on forever, because it WONT!;)
I'm not "jealous" of the pensions. I'm sick of picking up the tab

MrFonzerelli

beingjdc wrote: »

My bank charges pay Fred Goodwin's pension

What planet have you been living on!? :cool:
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beingjdc

donaldtramp wrote: »

Uninformed:rotfl:
It's in here BLACK AND WHITE.They are on average PAID MORE.

It's there in black and white by a journalist in a very right wing newspaper. It's been debunked here more times than I care to remember. Low-paid jobs have been contracted out, so they count as private sector. In a school, the head and the teachers are still "public sector", but the cleaners and dinner ladies are now "private sector". Of course the "public sector" pay looks like it's gone up, but that tells you nothing about what has actually happened.

Part of the benefits package??? To take from other people what even they themselves aren't entitled to?

Erm, yes! What now, should only women pay tax towards public sector maternity pay? Of course not. What pay and benefits arrangement one person has is irrelevant to someone completely different's arrangements. I don't get free gym membership, which a lawyer friend does, but I couldn't go in and say that because of that I want a discount on legal advice.

And you are totally incorrect. I don't "have to divide these numbers by 4". It is in black and white. Figure paid into public sector pension pot per Council divided by number of residents. Do you grasp this? Understand? If not get back to me and I'll take an example and prove it to you. Sigh:rolleyes:....

Yes, I understand very well, it is you that obviously doesn't. You are confusing the Counci's total spending with the amount raised from council tax. I have explained already why this is a basic schoolboy error, but you've chosen not to listen.

Let's look at my council for an example, it's a good one. It charges council tax of around £700 per person. Of this £700 it spends roughly;

£100 on pensions
£800 on children's services
£1600 on schools
£300 on environment and housing
£1000 on old people's care

Do you see the problem yet?

donaldtramp

It's there in black and white by a journalist in a very right wing newspaper. It's been debunked here more times than I care to remember. Low-paid jobs have been contracted out, so they count as private sector. In a school, the head and the teachers are "public sector", but the cleaners and dinner ladies are "private sector". Of course the "public sector" pay looks like it's gone up, but that tells you nothing about what has actually happened.

But none of these "contracted out" jobs are receiving the pension benefits the public sector are. You are using low paid private sector jobs (that don't get public sector benefits) and yet in other posts you say that the public sector jobs are poor paying. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU ARE ON ABOUT?

Erm, yes! What now, should only women pay tax towards public sector maternity pay? Of course not. What pay and benefits arrangement one person has is irrelevant to someone completely different's arrangements. I don't get free gym membership, which a lawyer friend does, but I couldn't go in and say that because of that I want a discount on legal advice.

EH??? Why should I PAY for the pensions of others? I am NOT paying for your lawyer friends gym membership.
It is TOTALLY relevant. It is MY money and I don't want to pay someone elses pension.

Yes, I understand very well, it is you that obviously doesn't. You are confusing the Counci's total spending with the amount raised from council tax. I have explained already why this is a basic schoolboy error, but you've chosen not to listen.

No you don't understand. Whatever you say, I pay £100 pounds per head in my household towards pensions. £100 per person. It doesn't matter about the rest of the figures. I am paying £100 per person towards pensions that I don't want to pay.
There is no "problem" with my figures.

Radiantsoul

donaldtramp wrote: »

Here is the full table of how much you are paying PER PERSON to fund YOUR local Council employees pension fund.

Have a look through and see how much every man, woman and child in your household is topping up the pensions of YOUR local Council staff.
It makes interesting reading. My household is paying nearly £100 per person per year to my Council to subsidise their pensions,
It ain't fair.
How do all the public sector "defenders" argue this away when it is published in black and white from Freedom of Information requests?

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CSU2-pensions.pdf

Do you suggest that councils are run on a voluntary basis?
I am not sure whether it is fair or not. It seems that it all depends, private sector salaries generally seem much higher and often pay bonuses that public sector jobs don't. You need to look at the whole package and lifetime career earnings.
I suspect council jobs pay less than private sector jobs but offer better pensions and job security.

Old_Slaphead

beingjdc wrote: »

Sounds like a lot on council tax, but that's partly because council tax only provides the funding for about 25% worth of council services - so actually unless you assume the council tax is hypothecated you should divide all those numbers by four - or completely, given the pension scheme isn't decided by councils but by government, and therefore should be assumed to be part of central government funding, not locally raised monies.

I await someone following this up with the uninformed and debunked claim that public sector workers earn more, we haven't had that one for a while...

Where do you think the other 75% comes from ???? Central Govt = the taxpayer - so 25% from local and rest from national.

Oh and I wont bore you with the ONS links to support higher pay in the public sector....but they're out there.

Given that public sector have done extremely well with pay rises over the last 10 years it's about time they contributed a reasonable amount to their pension like the rest of us have to. Most public sector jobs are now well paid.

Public sector worker contributes around 5% for their pension - to get an equivalent amount of pension a non final salary contributor would need 34% of his salary paid in as contribution