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Blacklists a good thing for the economy?

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  • torontoboy45
    torontoboy45 Posts: 1,064 Forumite
    1echidna wrote: »
    Oh yes I am on an employment blacklist alright, but not due to being a foreigner, my education or my militancy but I won't go into that. It is not the end of the world you know, as many more are finding out in this recession.
    all which means what, exactly?
    I'll immediately declare an interest: I'm a trade unionist and have been for decades. I'm not 'active' but I'm still a member of a union that still has the muscle to stand up for its members.
    I'm not 'militant' - all I ask for is a bit of fairness and a regard for a safe working environment. what in the name of christ is wrong with that?
    my union gives this moderate lead. screaming lefty militants we ain't.
    unionists are often accused of living in the past, but reading some of the anti-union posts here it's obvious there are more than a few stuck back in the 70's.
    what a little black and white view some have of the world.

    jesus..
  • 1echidna
    1echidna Posts: 23,086 Forumite
    all which means what, exactly?
    I'll immediately declare an interest: I'm a trade unionist and have been for decades. I'm not 'active' but I'm still a member of a union that still has the muscle to stand up for its members.
    I'm not 'militant' - all I ask for is a bit of fairness and a regard for a safe working environment. what in the name of christ is wrong with that?
    my union gives this moderate lead. screaming lefty militants we ain't.
    unionists are often accused of living in the past, but reading some of the anti-union posts here it's obvious there are more than a few stuck back in the 70's.
    what a little black and white view some have of the world.

    jesus..

    Ah yes, and when a proper safety assessment has been done and the H & S Exec are not concerned is some militant still the true arbiter as to what is safe and not safe? Of course they don't call themselves militants these days but there are still antediluvian working practices in some industries if yours is not one of them all well and good.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    dervish wrote: »
    I dont know about blacklists , but this country could do with a few more 'blackshirts'! ;)

    I thought you didn't like extremists :rotfl:
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • ess0two
    ess0two Posts: 3,606 Forumite
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    1echidna wrote: »
    If I thought it was a fair increase, bearing in mind what they already earn, for the work they do I wouldn't be 'beat up' as you put it.


    So because someone earns a decent wage?,what sort of wage rise would you expect?if the unions and company agreed @ 7% good on them.
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  • 1echidna
    1echidna Posts: 23,086 Forumite
    ess0two wrote: »
    So because someone earns a decent wage?,what sort of wage rise would you expect?if the unions and company agreed @ 7% good on them.

    They had the company and the gov't over a barrel due to petrol shortages, it was abuse of power and no more justified than Sir Fred's pension for failure.
  • ess0two
    ess0two Posts: 3,606 Forumite
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    1echidna wrote: »
    They had the company and the gov't over a barrel due to petrol shortages, it was abuse of power and no more justified than Sir Fred's pension for failure.


    To some extent yes,but myself having worked under the ownership of Ineos and Jim Ratcliffe,and watch this company royally screw my pension and other benefits.
    It was action in MY eyes justified to stand up and not be bullied.
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  • 1echidna
    1echidna Posts: 23,086 Forumite
    ess0two wrote: »
    To some extent yes,but myself having worked under the ownership of Ineos and Jim Ratcliffe,and watch this company royally screw my pension and other benefits.
    It was action in MY eyes justified to stand up and not be bullied.

    Fair comment, but in a period of national declining wealth and increased liabilities, something has to give (but not in my back yard, as everyone will say, which is a recipe for disaster)
  • dervish
    dervish Posts: 926 Forumite
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    I thought you didn't like extremists :rotfl:

    that was a joke :rolleyes:
  • ess0two
    ess0two Posts: 3,606 Forumite
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    1echidna wrote: »
    Fair comment, but in a period of national declining wealth and increased liabilities, something has to give (but not in my back yard, as everyone will say, which is a recipe for disaster)

    Think the biggest gripe at Grangemouth was the attempt to change the pension setup.
    Where i last worked Ineos bought us,for 3 yrs under tupe they could do nothing.
    Once tupe expired,they basically rode roughshod over working conditions,pensions and pay.The union just were'nt strong enough to defend,Ineos basically said we will close units and jobs will be lost.

    Ineos tried this at Grangemouth and it back fired,given the nature of products made at that site,refined fuels etc.They could'nt try the old 'we'll close' malarkey.
    Official MR B fan club,dont go............................
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    There's a way to fight against blacklists.

    I know of one private investigation business which was asked to help set a 'trap' based on the honey trap principle. The client was a professional lady who was convinced her ex employer was badmouthing her rather than giving neutral reference.

    It wasn't the PI's bag but he did the work nonetheless, and she turned out to be right.

    How she used this information I never did find out.

    It's dangerous to assume you can bypass the law with impunity.
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