Being made redundant yet asked to train someone else to do my job!!

Dustangle

bigheadxx wrote: »

It could still be redundancy. Redundancy is effectively a lawful dismissal and it is reasonable for employers to alter the way it does things including somebody else taking over elements that made up an employees job or combining two roles into one.

That's why she should get professional advice about this.

leachyd

Dustangle wrote: »

People don't get made redundant - jobs are made redundant.

If your job will still exist, and they just want someone else to do it then this isn't a redundancy situation. You are being sacked, and if you are being told redundancy as the reason then you may be being misled. That might even amount to a fraud on the part of your employer.

I'm guessing there's no effective trade union at your workplace as the employer wouldn't get away with this if there was, but you could do worse than get a bit of legal advice as to whether you are being unfairly dismissed.

If the reason why you are unfairly dismissed amounts to unlawful discrimination to do with your age, race, gender, sexual orientation, disability or religion or belief, you may be eligible for unlimited compensation.

Get proper advice quickly, preferably from a solicitor, from somewhere else than the internet.

I've never been too sure about this, but as far as i was aware, redundancy arises from a deminishing requirement for a particular task. The number of workers required reduces and so some of those people are made redundant. Think it's a pretty simplistic view to suggest that people aren't made redundant, and jobs are. People are made redundant as a result of a reduction in the requirement. Anyway, beyond that, i know of a term called bumped redundancy where becuase of a reduction in requirements in one part of the business, an employee is "made redundant, and then redeployed elsewhere instead, meaning the person who's job was originally affected stays and the other person goes. I think it has been a bit of a legal issue so im not sure where "the law" stands on it at the moment.

Boomdocker

I'm sure they are tongue in cheek but don't be sabotaging any passwords, notes or anything like that as you still will need to rely on this place of work for a reference. Your integrity is important here too.

Similiary, don't go sick unless you really are. Most companys you join will ask for numbers of/periods of sickness within the last 2 years. You will make this worse for yourself if you go sick just to spite them in your last few weeks.

It's emotive and it hurts but do what's right. Have you spoken with your HR team about your whole redundancy situation?

flea72

the job becomes redundant because they no longer need someone to do it to the same criteria

say you work in a sandwich shop.....

one works the till and the other makes sandwiches. Due to drop in trade they no longer need someone to sit at the till and take money, they have decided that someone can do that standing up (wearing one blue glove). Therefore the sitting at till job has become redundant, but the standing up and taking money job has been created

They have gone through the required processes and decided that the person who sat at the till can be made redundant, as the blue glove only suits the person who prior to all this, was standing up

Flea

CFC

OK let's clarify for the OP as there is a lot of nonsense posted in this thread by people who really are just expressing a personal opinion without any knowledge.

a) Yes, you are being paid, and so you will need to do as asked. If you are not willing to train people in your own home, which is very reasonable, simply tell them so and ask that they provide the premises. Yes, it's really upsetting and emotionally unfair, but it's the way that it is.

b) As Pastures New and Flea72 have CORRECTLY posted, a reduction in general or particular work will be met with a restructuring.

c) There are no rules about how long after redundancies the original post can be advertised again. All that is required is that the business needs have genuinely changed. Providing the business could demonstrate that at a tribunal, there would be no issues. In fact sometimes a company can be persuaded as part of the redundancy negotiations to give you first offer on the job should it be reinstated within a 12 month period.

Dooood

I was made redundant from one employer but I left on good terms and was as helpful and chilled as could be. My former employer recommended me to a rival company who promptly employed me.

During the following 18 months - my ex employer offered me my old job back stating that my redundancy was a knee-jerk reaction that they regretted. I politely refused as I was now commited to my current employer.

18 months later, my job was looking insecure, my ex employer offered me my old job for the 3rd time - this time at a higher position and salary - 3rd time lucky as I accepted and returned to my former employer. The company I left ceased trading a few months after I returned to my previous employer.

Bottom line is, none of this would have happened if I'd been hostile / uncooperative with initial redundancy!!!

hassony77

Hi

I was also told that that I was made redundant 10 days ago, i haven't worked since then., I had my consultation meeting on monday.

my duties, and the team that I was managing (I was the quality manager) have been given to another manager

my question is, is it fair that I was the one that was made redundant instead of the person? as there was no pool or anything like that, and I have always had positive feedback from the directors as to the work I was doing.

also, I have found out that the person who is taking over my duties actually knew about it before I did!, Is that allowed? or have the company broke any rules?

phlogeston

PasturesNew wrote: »

Just because the cashier is laid off, doesn't mean the job is no longer needed... just the job is no longer needed in its own right. There is no longer the business to keep two staff, so one has to go and the other one needs to be trained up to cover the tasks that are needed.

The only question is what criteria were used to select the cashier for redundancy and were they fair and fairly applied.

If the selection criteria were fair: get on and do your job to the best of your ability.
If the selection criteria were not fair, then you are being unfairly dismissed - time to seek professional advice (ACAS, union, solicitor etc.).

caspur

My boss has made me redundant................ but he said that he wants me to train him to do my job before i leave!!! now iv been doing alot of research into this redundancy stuff and in all the documents i have found alot of info says they can make u redundant if there is not a role for you any more or if they go bust and cease trading!!!! But they are not going to cease trading he is going to try and do my job. Surely that is unfair dismissal???? or am i totally off the ball because i am not very happy with the fact they are lettin me go but then he is goin to do my job (and he will do it badly) ...

flea72

caspur wrote: »

My boss has made me redundant................ but he said that he wants me to train him to do my job before i leave!!! now iv been doing alot of research into this redundancy stuff and in all the documents i have found alot of info says they can make u redundant if there is not a role for you any more or if they go bust and cease trading!!!! But they are not going to cease trading he is going to try and do my job. Surely that is unfair dismissal???? or am i totally off the ball because i am not very happy with the fact they are lettin me go but then he is goin to do my job (and he will do it badly) ...

but he isnt doing your job - he will now be doing an amalgamation of his and your work, so this has created a new position that covers both roles

in this case, they are within their rights to make you redundant, as the precise role you played within the company is no longer there

hth Flea