Taking out old Kitchen help!

27col

Either they did not plan the kitchen properly or, more likely, were too mean to get the job done properly.

wallbash

How can this apply say to an island unit with sockets in it?

Nice question.
I admit being one of those so UNprofessional types that have mounted
sockets within a cupboard:eek::eek:


Not got round too killing anyone yet,

Steve_the_fitter

There is nothing wrong with fitting sockets inside cabinets and it is done so they are easy to get to ( if you need to change a fuse etc) I do it all the time and by no means do I think I'm cutting corners in doing so . If you have fitted appliances you can not have a socket behind it as you wont be able to get to it and normally it will foul the appliance. The only other way of doing it is to have a non switched socket in the void behind the carcasses and having a switched fuse spur on the wall. The reason i dont do it this way is with a average kitchen having a dishwasher, washing machine, fridge freeze , hob, cooker its quite a lot fuse spurs to have on the wall when you consider how often they will be used. By the time you have put all them along with you normal wall sockets the wall looks very cluttered imo

Canucklehead

frankie wrote: »

Canucklehead wrote: »

Hi

It is recommended that sockets (or any electrical outlet) are NOT fitted to units as they are deemed not to be part of the permanent building structure.

How can this apply say to an island unit with sockets in it?

I'd be interested to hear a 'professional' view on this as I want to place a larder fridge under the end of a peninsula and the fitter said he would need to ensure that there was an isolating switch/supply within reach of the fridge power cord, so he'd put a switched socket in the adjacent unit???

Yes , interesting...
I'm sure this is why 'grey areas' are created . To allow for things like that.

I was quoting (almost) from the 17th edition electricians guide.(AKA the green book) page 60, 5.2.2
"i) Wiring accessories(eg socket outlets, switches) should preferably be mounted on the building fabric and not on kitchen furniture."

I'm sure if an electrician had a NIC inspection he would be pulled up on this should he/she not do it.
As for cutting plugs off..... Yes it's a good tool for the manufacturer to renege on the warranty if the plug has been cut off as it might have been the 'cause of the fault'
I don't cut any cable off motorised valves for that reason.


Corgi Guy.

wallbash

I'm sure if an electrician had a NIC inspection he would be pulled up on this should he/she not do it.

Am I being naive , if the regs, ( forbid ) the practice, surely their must be an answer/alternative ??

should preferably be mounted

So the important word is .... perferably
Love the colour grey,

quote ..
Guidelines - for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men?



Never thought myself wise.This posting proves it

Canucklehead

wallbash wrote: »

Am I being naive , if the regs, ( forbid ) the practice, surely their must be an answer/alternative ??

So the important word is .... perferably
Love the colour grey,

quote ..
Guidelines - for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men?



Never thought myself wise.This posting proves it

“If you don't like their rules, whose would you use?” C. Brown


CG

wallbash

quote .. “If you don't like their rules, whose would you use?” C. Brown



touché

handyandyman

I would have thought the best place for sockets is where you can get to the them if a full refurbishment is being done they can be positioned in the wall and made accessible by inspection panel in the units.

As for cutting plugs of I thought this invalidated the guarantee. I get around this by drill access holes and fill them with a clip in and out cable cover, this way appliances can still be removed and the cable cover leaves a neat finish in the cabinet if seen at all.

Another approach I have seen, although I don’t necessarily agree with, is un-switched sockets fed back to a master control switch panel, the only problem with this is you would still need to get to the fuse on the three pin plug?

After a few years trying to find a standard I have decided that there isn’t one. Every sparky has there own way and if it is within regs, neat and accessible then what’s the problem?