Landlord agent won't move crockery etc what happens if i don't sign the inventorty?

villageidiot_2

Hi everyone,

Moved into a flat on Saturday 31st Jan.Received the keys and signed the contract on Friday 30th but couldn't move in that day as the previous tenents were still here.

Anyway,the flat was filthy,mildew everywhere,and hadn't realised that the flat came with full kitchen equiptment which fills all of the cupboards in the small kitchen.Wouldn't be so bad if it was good quality.We've got all our own stuff with nowhere to put it,and no spare storage in the flat.

Spoke to the landlords agent today who said he won't move it as we should have asked what was included before we moved in.We have lived in numerous rentals before,and never had this stuff included before so never thought about it.

We haven't been given the inventory to sign yet,so would we be within our rights to refuse to sign it until he moves this stuff on the basis that if we'd been given the inventory before we'd moved in and seen all the stuff on it we'd not have signed it.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Steve and Trish

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villageidiot wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Moved into a flat on Saturday 31st Jan.Received the keys and signed the contract on Friday 30th but couldn't move in that day as the previous tenents were still here.

Anyway,the flat was filthy,mildew everywhere,and hadn't realised that the flat came with full kitchen equiptment which fills all of the cupboards in the small kitchen.Wouldn't be so bad if it was good quality.We've got all our own stuff with nowhere to put it,and no spare storage in the flat.

Spoke to the landlords agent today who said he won't move it as we should have asked what was included before we moved in.We have lived in numerous rentals before,and never had this stuff included before so never thought about it.

We haven't been given the inventory to sign yet,so would we be within our rights to refuse to sign it until he moves this stuff on the basis that if we'd been given the inventory before we'd moved in and seen all the stuff on it we'd not have signed it.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Steve and Trish

To be honest, if this is the biggest problem in your life, your doing very well. The inventory is for your protection as well as theirs so I would personally sign it, it doesnt seem a very good ransom chip on your part either way, with a shrug of the shoulders a likley response to any such 'threats'.

JoeA81

Whenever I've found things in a rental property that I didnt want, I've just carefully boxed them all up and shoved them in a back of a cupboard or up in the attic for the duration of my tennancy. Im my last house it was all of the net curtains, a tablecloth, an old clock, and a load of really old pictures on the walls.

poppysarah

I'd box it up and refuse to sign the inventory with it on.
It's not normal to get knives and plates and kitchen junk included.

LittleMissAspie

Our last flat came with brand new plates, glasses, cutlery, saucepans etc. I thought it was quite nice of the landladies to do that but we hid them away in a cupboard because we had our own.

From that I concluded that furnished included all that stuff as standard

poppysarah

LittleMissAspie wrote: »

Our last flat came with brand new plates, glasses, cutlery, saucepans etc. I thought it was quite nice of the landladies to do that but we hid them away in a cupboard because we had our own.

From that I concluded that furnished included all that stuff as standard

Coprorate let maybe - not standard stuff -

tbs624

villageidiot wrote: »

......the flat was filthy,mildew everywhere,and hadn't realised that the flat came with full kitchen equiptment which fills all of the cupboards in the small kitchen.Wouldn't be so bad if it was good quality.We've got all our own stuff with nowhere to put it,and no spare storage in the flat.

Spoke to the landlords agent today who said he won't move it as we should have asked what was included before we moved in.We have lived in numerous rentals before,and never had this stuff included before so never thought about it.

We haven't been given the inventory to sign yet,so would we be within our rights to refuse to sign it until he moves this stuff on the basis that if we'd been given the inventory before we'd moved in and seen all the stuff on it we'd not have signed it.
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Steve/Trish - take photos of everything and on the inventory mark the condition of the property and any contents in full detail before signing. Note on the inventory next to the kitchen eqpt bit that this had not been mentioned to you and that you asked for its removal.Then carefully wrap & box the kitchen stuff.

You are legally entitled to the name & address of your LL and this must be given to you by the LA within 21 days of you asking in writing. You can then drop a friendly letter to the LL asking if its possible s/he could arrange storage as you are limited for space - say that you'd be happy to take it round (assuming the LL is local).It maybe that some of it is stuff that other tenants have left over the years.

Debt_Free_Chick

I think your rights are quite difficult here. You've signed an agreement which the LL intends would cover the kitchen stuff - you might not have realised it but, arguably, you agreed to this when you signed the agreement.

I don't see the point in making an issue out of this. As others have said, box the stuff up and put it somewhere.

Moving is stressful - are you perhaps being just a little over-sensitive?

Premier_2

villageidiot wrote: »

....We have lived in numerous rentals before,and never had this stuff included before so never thought about it....

Think of it as a bonus

I'm sure many people (e.g. students) have rented fully furnished properties and would have been aghast not to have been provided with kitchen equipment, cutlery, crockery etc.

If you don't have use of it, box it up and keep it safe.

Now you've signed the TA, its up to you whether you sign the inventory. That's why I've suggested previously that the TA & inventory should be signed together as they complement each other.

Remember that a fully agreed inventory/statement of condition is of equal importance to you as it is to a LL. Why not just notate the inventory with the extra items of not already included on there and sign it; I'm sure the LL won't mind as long as any amendments or additions to the inventory accurately reflect the condition the property is let to you in.

franklee

I've done the old box it up and put it in the loft routine (including loo brush!) but the problem here is the OP is in a flat "no spare storage in the flat". In that case I'd box up and request the landlord take it. If he refuses there isn't much you can do but if you say it's boxed and you will deliver why would be refuse? Surely he wants to keep tenants and you probably won't stay long term if cramped with his stuff. Otherwise you just need to find somewhere to store it. Do check amend and sign and return the inventory (keeping a copy of everything) as if you don't they will probably claim you agree with it and then the missing things, existing faults, damage and dirt won't be recorded and they will try to blame you. Do write up on the inventory how dirty and mildewy the place is, you will be cleaning it anyway but you don't want to be charged for any lack of cleaning when you leave.

villageidiot_2

Thanks for all the advice guys.

To some it may not seem a big deal but there is loads of the stuff,all rubbish,filling all the cupboards in the kitchen.There is absolutely no storage space otherwise we wouldn't be making a big deal about it.I've lived in loads of rental properties in London and never had this problem before.

With regards to telling the landlord,it's a bit pointless i guess because he lives in the Middle East.

Like i said,thanks for taking the time to give advise,and it looks like we'll be moving again in 6 months when the agreement is up,and will definetly check what's included at the next place.

Trish and Steve