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mizzbiz

Dylanwing wrote: »

Does anyone believe that any other EU Country would do this? Even down to providing floating accomodation off the coast, presumably minimising the benefits to the local economy. And are they liable for UK tax? If this had happened anywhere else in the EU, there would have been protests.
In my humble opinion, the off-shoring of jobs, and importing cheap labour from Eastern Europe has caused resentment for some years, and with recession, and a 'cause celebre', the pent-up anger has a focus. The UK economy has been managed for too long just looking at profits, and not people (Or even hard-working families), and this is the result.

So people need to protest about us joining the European Union. People are strangely quiet about the things this goevrnment signs them up for until they realise what has happened in their daily lives. This is the new law, the only way round it for us, GB or anyone else is to withdraw from the EU.

I'm not saying I agree we should be part of the EU. I'll keep my mouth closed on that one (for a change). Perhaps if people don't like this side of it, they should look more closely at the Lisbon Treaty, signed on our behalf by GB. Foreign workers are the least of our problems.

bo_drinker

omelette451 wrote: »

If it was "months ago", how long is "not long"?

Probably weeks but I reckon Spring time easy if not before. Not long now.

ess0two

bo_drinker wrote: »

Probably weeks but I reckon Spring time easy if not before. Not long now.

In reality a few placards,boo's,hisses,moans,groans then everyone will be back home for tea.

funkyfreddy9k

mewbie wrote: »

Of course that method of bidding is quite wrong. There should only be one British Unionised firm able to tender. The firm will submit a very high bid, and the company held to ransom by the threat of immediate strike action will be forced to pay. There will be some hidden extras to go in the Union leaders and various shop stewards pockets. The job will be done poorly and be delivered late.

That's what we need to make Britain great again.

you missed off that it will be massively over budget as well.

however, danish and chinese economys would have benefited significantly due to the cups of tea every 15 minutes, and bacon butties eaten on the hour

mizzbiz

funkyfreddy9k wrote: »

you missed off that it will be massively over budget as well.

however, danish and chinese economys would have benefited significantly due to the cups of tea every 15 minutes, and bacon butties eaten on the hour

Haha yes, exactly, UK construction companies are happy friends with the 'Extension of Time' (EoT) and 'Variation to Contract' (VTC's). Go in on a 1% margin then claw it all back through the above two.:rotfl: GENIUS.

Dylanwing

So people need to protest about us joining the European Union. People are strangely quiet about the things this goevrnment signs them up for until they realise what has happened in their daily lives. This is the new law, the only way round it for us, GB or anyone else is to withdraw from the EU.

I'm not saying I agree we should be part of the EU. I'll keep my mouth closed on that one (for a change). Perhaps if people don't like this side of it, they should look more closely at the Lisbon Treaty, signed on our behalf by GB. Foreign workers are the least of our problems.

This is nothing to do with us joining the EU, although maybe some of these people might like the promised referendum! It is much simpler than that, basically the UK Government appears to have embraced the Free Labour Market concept, whereas the perception is that other Countries have not. Idiot Politicians claiming only 14,000 Poles would come and proclaiming 'British jobs for British workers' have hardly helped matters. I believe that this dispute goes a lot deeper than just this particular issue, and to resolve it, and avoid further problems, that needs to be understood.
Out of interest, would all posters on here state if they would be happy with the choice of a 40% pay cut, or their job being given to another EU National prepared to work for that salary.

mizzbiz

Dylanwing wrote: »

This is nothing to do with us joining the EU, although maybe some of these people might like the promised referendum! It is much simpler than that, basically the UK Government appears to have embraced the Free Labour Market concept, whereas the perception is that other Countries have not. Idiot Politicians claiming only 14,000 Poles would come and proclaiming 'British jobs for British workers' have hardly helped matters. I believe that this dispute goes a lot deeper than just this particular issue, and to resolve it, and avoid further problems, that needs to be understood.
Out of interest, would all posters on here state if they would be happy with the choice of a 40% pay cut, or their job being given to another EU National prepared to work for that salary.

Of course it is to do with membership of the European Union. I have worked and studied in two European countries without issue, as have many Brits. This means I have 'stolen' the job and salary of two EU citizens. And I never heard a complaint!

See Art. 39 of the EU treaty. Without this, these Italian and Polish workers would not be here. It forms part of the four eceonmic freedoms in the treaty, which is free movement of workers, capital, goods and services. Until we are not part of this, European workers are free to come and live and work here as they please.

As a matter of interest, however, the Treaty of Accession makes us employ new EU nationals for a set period on the same terms as nationals. However, there is a clause which allows this to change after two years if it has a visible, negative effect on the economy.

Unfortunately for the strikers, this does not apply to Italian workers, as they are old school Europe. Same rights, same freedoms.

Ian_Griffiths_Halifax

Dylanwing wrote: »

Out of interest, would all posters on here state if they would be happy with the choice of a 40% pay cut, or their job being given to another EU National prepared to work for that salary.

If the cost of everything we bought was to drop by 40%, then I'd consider it, but it isn't going to happen.

leveller2911

mustrum_ridcully wrote: »

Have you ever seen the orginal series of Auf Wiedersehen Pet? Where British construction workers went to get work in Germany in the early 80's.

That sort of thing really did happen so some British construction workers did exactly what the Italians are doing now. I suspect some of the protesting workers would have done the same and will do the same if the recession gets really bad and the only place to get work is abroad. I'd go so far as to say they'd be protesting if they weren't allowed to do that.

I'm not siding with one side or the other as this isn't a Black and White issue, as with most things in life it's a shade of grey.

I saw the original "auf wiedersehen pet" and your partly right, BUT where you are wrong is ,when the British workers went over to Germany they were paid the same as the German workers, we DID NOT undercut them......Fact.

It will be VERY interesting to see what happens when the middle class white collar workers start getting their wages undercut , its easy for many on here to joke about what is happening.. "Time will tell"

omelette451

leveller2911 wrote: »

I saw the original "auf wiedersehen pet" and your partly right, BUT where you are wrong is ,when the British workers went over to Germany they were paid the same as the German workers.

And workers now in the UK get paid the same for doing the same job. It's just that some of them demand more than the job pays and aren't happy when they're told where to go.