Going vegan......old style?!

frugalmumof4

O.W.E.I- I dont hang about when I spot a recipe i like the sound of!!lol
cake was great eaten hot and made with doves farm gluten free flour, but when i tried a little bit when it was cold, it had that funny texture that gluten free flour sometime leaves where its dry and sticks to the top of your mouth. Flavour was great and it was well risen, so i imagine regular flour would be would be much better. I just like to experiment with wheat and gluten free flours.

thumbs up to your recipe, but will try it with spelt flour next time!

justlikethat_2

This is honestly my first time in any kind of forum so I hope I don't mess it up!

Sorry to say doom and gloom that you have got a lot of your facts wrong. My Dad has kept bees for over thirty years although only as a 'hobby'. I do help him when I can although I had a nasty experience getting a few bees inside my veil when I was twelve and that rather put me off!

• Smoking is used to calm and pacify the bees and does not distress them or make them flee the hive.

• Swarms are natural and can be useful if you have a very strong colony you can use a swarm to start off a new hive, however too many swarms can weaken the colony and in that case removing the queen cells is the best option for the survival of the whole!
• yes you will squash or injure a few bees when you handle them but unless you are a Jain monk you will probably squash a few bugs everytime you take a walk!

Large commercial beekeeping like the type practised in the USA, Mexico etc. is I'm sure a lot less considerate and does use some dodgy chemicals. If you buy local honey you can be sure that the beekeeper is someone that looks after and respects his or her bees they are certainly after all not in it for the money!

Finally without beekeepers you would not be able to live on a vegan diet. Think of all the crops that rely on large numbers of bees for pollination. No beekeepers, no orchards (no cider!), no vegtables etc......

love and hugs from a lapsed vegan

Doom_and_Gloom

justlikethat wrote: »

This is honestly my first time in any kind of forum so I hope I don't mess it up!

Sorry to say doom and gloom that you have got a lot of your facts wrong. My Dad has kept bees for over thirty years although only as a 'hobby'. I do help him when I can although I had a nasty experience getting a few bees inside my veil when I was twelve and that rather put me off!

• Smoking is used to calm and pacify the bees and does not distress them or make them flee the hive.

• Swarms are natural and can be useful if you have a very strong colony you can use a swarm to start off a new hive, however too many swarms can weaken the colony and in that case removing the queen cells is the best option for the survival of the whole!
• yes you will squash or injure a few bees when you handle them but unless you are a Jain monk you will probably squash a few bugs everytime you take a walk!

Large commercial beekeeping like the type practised in the USA, Mexico etc. is I'm sure a lot less considerate and does use some dodgy chemicals. If you buy local honey you can be sure that the beekeeper is someone that looks after and respects his or her bees they are certainly after all not in it for the money!

Finally without beekeepers you would not be able to live on a vegan diet. Think of all the crops that rely on large numbers of bees for pollination. No beekeepers, no orchards (no cider!), no vegtables etc......

love and hugs from a lapsed vegan

I don’t see how I’ve got a lot of my facts wrong really. The bees are smoked and unless you are a bee I don’t see how you could know they don’t get distressed. Smoke does instinctively make them think of fire and I put to you what would you most likely get like if you think there is a fire in the area? You would be distressed. It is innate to feel like that in ALL living things. Bees are no different.
As you said your dad did it as a hobby. There is a huge difference. All people who are in it for business are in it for the money as that is what all businesses are here to do! They may say they respect their bees but they will do some things that are horrible towards the bees to keep their business going.

So killing of bees is acceptable as it keeps the BEEKEEPER in money. You’ve proven a point to me. They kill something that is innocent for human gain. Now you may think it is just an insect but nothing deserves to die just because of human selfishness.

There is also a difference between going out and not meaning to kill insects than [strike]stealing[/strike] (oh I’m sorry) collecting what belongs to something else and killing them in the process.

Also oddly enough there would be bees and wasps to pollinate. They would still be here and more likely more of them as they wouldn’t get killed by bee keepers but hey I know nothing and have a lot of my facts wrong as you obviously pointed out!

fernliebee

Another vegan here. I have been vegetarian my whole life, but in the last 8 months (since my DD was born) have been vegan. When my LO was born, and I started to breastfeed her, I started thinking about how weird drinking milk actually was, and the more I thought about it the less I wanted to do it!
I also don't like the idea of all the antibiotics etc that are contained in milk. I feed my DD a vegan diet too, and I make sure she gets everything she needs protein, calcium, vitamin wise. I like oat milk and we have porridge every morning with oat milk, tahini and banana- yum!

Tahini is very good for calcium, especially when the leafy veg isn't in season so you don't get much in your veg box!

I love making vegan banana bread but find it best with banana's that are nearly black and with DD in the house banana's just don't last that long now! Been looking out for some whoops!!! ones in asda.

I haven't found it hard at all really (maybe a bit at xmas as I wanted to eat junk, but knew I wouldn't even want to eat it really!Just all felt a bit healthy ha ha!) I thought cheese would be the hardest!

Chocolate I don't miss (especially as I can eat bourbons! )

justlikethat_2

Sorry I seem to have upset you doom and gloom. A few further points about beekeeping in the UK

• there are very few commercial apirists the vast majority keep bees as a hobby in that they make no profits in fact they more than likely have to pay out more than they take in from selling honey.
• In Scotland for example I think there are only two companies that manage to make a living out of bees and even they are fairly small scale.
• In our climate and in every bee and wasp colony at the end of summer the majority of workers are ejected from the colony by the queen where ,denied access to the honey reserves they helped to build up, they starve to death. Now in human terms how 'innocent' does this make the evil queen and her cronies?

It is true that without beekeepers there would still be bees and wasps but in fact there would be far fewer and certainlt not enough to sustain commercial agriculture.

Would you therefore find no problem with millions of humans starving to death when crops failed? I'm sure you wouldn't want that. The only way to avoid this and also to safeguard the bees in the way you want would be for humanity to return to a hunter gatherer system of society and give up large scale agriculture completely.

And no I really don't think you know nothing however all belief systems (religious, philosophical, dietary etc..) work perfectly until they come up against the harsh realities of the world we live in. I just think that although it would be nice to have absolute respect for all living things all of the time in our overcrowded planet that is just not possible. As long as there are billions of mouths to feed we need modern agriculture and crops and they in turn need bees and beekeepers.

Please don't take this personally I am honestly sorry to have upset you.

Justamum

frugalmumof4 wrote: »

For rice pudding lovers, you can still make great rice pudding using soya milk, i usually flavour it with vanilla or cinnamon. Have one cooking away in the slow cooker at the moment, trying to resist lifting the lid off! This will be my first experiment with rice pudding using our home made soya milk. It certainly smells yummy!

I love rice pudding, but am rubbish at making it It's not just because I'm using soya milk though, I could never make it with cow's milk. My mum makes fantastic rice pud.

Doom_and_Gloom

If you use cocunut milk in cooking if you buy creamed coconut instead and add hot water to it and make it dissolve to make coconut milk it is cheaper. 100g makes 400ml of coconut milk. You can buy block of creamed coconut (200g) for 63p at the moment which means you can make 800ml for 63p. It costs £1.29 at the moment for a 400ml can of coconut milk so £2.58 for 800ml :eek: . That is a saving of £1.95 :T . You can make 1.6L of cocunut milk like that (£1.26) for less than the can of 400ml :rotfl: . I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather take the time to make it at that kind of cost.

Justamum

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

If you use cocunut milk in cooking if you buy creamed coconut instead and add hot water to it and make it dissolve to make coconut milk it is cheaper. 100g makes 400ml of coconut milk. You can buy block of creamed coconut (200g) for 63p at the moment which means you can make 800ml for 63p. It costs £1.29 at the moment for a 400ml can of coconut milk so £2.58 for 800ml :eek: . That is a saving of £1.95 :T . You can make 1.6L of cocunut milk like that (£1.26) for less than the can of 400ml :rotfl: . I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather take the time to make it at that kind of cost.

I do the same. I use one 50g sachet to make 400ml, so mine's even cheaper than yours

Doom_and_Gloom

Justamum wrote: »

I do the same. I use one 50g sachet to make 400ml, so mine's even cheaper than yours

Where do you get them and how much are they??

suep

Im trying to do my menu plan for the next week and Im stumbling a bit, I need 2 more vegan dinners. Ive gone back over the last few pages for some insperation and came across Doom &Glooms list of meal ideas on page 1, I hope its not too cheeky but would you be able to write out your recipe for vegetable curry please When I was veggie I made one that had natural yogurt stirred in at the end and Im not sure if I can use the same reipe without the yogurt now Im a very new vegan.
Im really enjoying this thread