Irish Times: House prices in Ireland could drop by 80%

StevieJ

itsallagame wrote: »

Ha!ha! its dervish again:rotfl:


Do yourself a favour; go do some impartial reading on how we created a benevolent Empire.
Might spare you the embarrassment of your comments in future.




Not taking any more bait

Karl Marx Das Kapital 1867

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized."


Just out of interest, what page in Das Kapital does it mention your quote, I hope someone has not been winding you up

GracieP

dervish wrote: »

Why dont you form your own opinions instead of just repeating the mantra of lefties?

Read Niall Ferguson's "Empire" if you really want to understand what the EMPIRE DID FOR THE WORLD. and guess what? it was mostly all positive!

My reply to your nonsense had quite a lot of information in it, which is far from well known, so obviously gathered from a lot of different sources. Which would to anyone suggest that I had done quite a bit of research on the subject and am about as far from repeating mantras as you can get. And your response is to repeat a mantra you learned from reading one book and then accuse me of not having my own opinions.

You are nearly as much fun as PickledPink.:rotfl:

torontoboy45

dervish wrote: »

Why dont you form your own opinions instead of just repeating the mantra of lefties?

Read Niall Ferguson's "Empire" if you really want to understand what the EMPIRE DID FOR THE WORLD. and guess what? it was mostly all positive!

why don't you become more widely read instead of relying on one academic's take?
I could bang on about how this country's rulers allowed its closest neighbour to starve to death (over 1m) in the 1840's and unleashed its army on a largely defenceless (and innocent) population in 1920 - but I'm not in the habit of visiting the sins of the fathers on the sons.

gracie's take is largely factual. your take seems to hark back to the days of flag-waving jingoism - never let the facts stand in the way of good ol' patriotism. with this kind of attitude is it surprising that the irish (and plenty of other nations) dislike us?

StevieJ

torontoboy45 wrote: »

why don't you become more widely read instead of relying on one academic's take?
I could bang on about how this country's rulers allowed its closest neighbour to starve to death (over 1m) in the 1840's and unleashed its army on a largely defenceless (and innocent) population in 1920 - but I'm not in the habit of visiting the sins of the fathers on the sons.

gracie's take is largely factual. your take seems to hark back to the days of flag-waving jingoism - never let the facts stand in the way of good ol' patriotism. with this kind of attitude is it surprising that the irish (and plenty of other nations) dislike us?

I am sure Dervish is well read, I bet he reads Irving as well

GracieP

torontoboy45 wrote: »

with this kind of attitude is it surprising that the irish (and plenty of other nations) dislike us?

Ime, I think that attitude is passing. While you will find some idiots who have an anti-English thing going on, most people aren't interested in raking over the past.* Even in Northern Ireland, where it's more recent past, the mood is generally to get passed that type of attitude. Although crap like that from dervish legitimises the feeling of those who prefer to keep the wounds open.



*I will confess that if you go into any pub in Ireland where they are showing an English international soccer match the majority of the crowd will be supporting the other team.;)

WTF?_2

GracieP wrote: »

I'm not suggesting that bankruptcy should be as easy as it is in the UK, I don't think it should. Unless you are self-employed or work in quite a small field that consequences of bankruptcy to clear yourself of outstanding monies after repossession is too easy. But for genuinely misguided people who just tried to buy a modest home, something like 5 years should be the maximum bankruptcy period. At least it gives you a better shot of starting over.

If you ever MEWed, bought a property obviously beyond your means and needs, have multiple properties or have significant unsecured debt, then hitting them with the full 12 years seems fair enough.

That's what I'd implement if it was up to me.

I'd be in favour of a bankruptcy 'trial' to determine the extent of personal complicity in the bankruptcy.

Those who 'spent it like Beckham' and racked it all up on credit should have a long period before they are discharged with severe restrictions on credit limit for life, those who got taken out by a non-paying customer should get to more or less walk away after a token period.

Can't see it happening though as even the 'rubber stamp' system currently in place can't seem to deal with the numbers.

itsallagame_2

StevieJ wrote: »

Karl Marx Das Kapital 1867

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized."


Just out of interest, what page in Das Kapital does it mention your quote, I hope someone has not been winding you up

Hi Stevie,
I understand what you’re getting at, considering its 3 volumes and 1800+ pages, and yes this is the internet, to nail it may be difficult.
This statement may well be an interpretational translation of his ramblings.
I’m happy with its context, without going into his Shakespearian style of writing.
I for one don’t take it too seriously but either way it’s interesting that it has surfaced, serious or not, it’s clearly thought provoking.

Perhaps I could change it to Thomas Jefferson and infer that Obama has spent a lot of time studying his writings, and is going to give us change
we can believe in.
How far would that go?

itsallagame after all

StevieJ

itsallagame wrote: »

Hi Stevie,
I understand what you’re getting at, considering its 3 volumes and 1800+ pages, and yes this is the internet, to nail it may be difficult.
This statement may well be an interpretational translation of his ramblings.
I’m happy with its context, without going into his Shakespearian style of writing.
I for one don’t take it too seriously but either way it’s interesting that it has surfaced, serious or not, it’s clearly thought provoking.

Perhaps I could change it to Thomas Jefferson and infer that Obama has spent a lot of time studying his writings, and is going to give us change
we can believe in.
How far would that go?

itsallagame after all

I bet Dopester made that up

dervish

StevieJ wrote: »

I am sure Dervish is well read, I bet he reads Irving as well

David Irving has written some thought provoking and informative tomes. He has only really got one thing wrong a bit.

StevieJ

dervish wrote: »

David Irving has written some thought provoking and informative tomes. He has only really got one thing wrong a bit.

Have you read My Struggle yet