It's official - BTL destroys communities

neverdespairgirl

Really2 wrote: »

But would an HA be Private? Most council houses have now been sent over to HA's?

HA is included in social housing, not private.

neverdespairgirl

JonnyBravo wrote: »

People who fear the lack of security are those who are abusing the property or not paying on time and therefore annoying the landlord.

Not at all. A lot of tenants get notice if they are irritating the LL by wanting fewer holes in the roof, or a gas check.

amcluesent

The breakdown in communities lies entirely with the failed multi-culti experiment in social engineering, the benefits system rewarding single mothers and punishing married couples and three generations of chavs who haven't had any discipline from parents/families/schools and who can run amok while the police are 100% occupied on their computers.

Somerset

Community life in Britain has weakened substantially over the past 30 years, according to research commissioned by the BBC.

Analysis of census data reveals how neighbourhoods in every part of the UK have become more socially fragmented.

The study assesses the health of a community by looking at how rooted people are in their neighbourhood.

Comparing the figures from the 1971 census with those in 2001 reveals substantial change

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Didn't Margaret Thatcher say ''there's no such thing as society''? The 1971 census date is important - right before Thatcherism.

This is comparing two completely different political landscapes. Pre-Thatcher, old-fashioned, Union-led, communities, jobs for life at the factory, nuclear family. Post Thatcher, fragmented, ambition-driven, opportunities, more individualistic, free-market etc.

Actually I think rampant btl can decimate a community. But 'communities' in the old-fashioned sense, were already radically changed by that generation of Thatcher politics. Btl is 'fluff' not the core reason there is a fragmented society now.

JonnyBravo

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Not at all. A lot of tenants get notice if they are irritating the LL by wanting fewer holes in the roof, or a gas check.

Yeah, yeah, we all hear these anecdotal stories.
Don't suppose you've got any evidence to quantify how often it happens? I'm not saying it's rare but I am saying it's far more common for people to be able to stay for as long as they like.

Problem is you rarely get people signing on and starting up threads about how they've been in a house for 5 years uninterrupted. :rolleyes:

neverdespairgirl

JonnyBravo wrote: »

Yeah, yeah, we all hear these anecdotal stories.
Don't suppose you've got any evidence to quantify how often it happens? I'm not saying it's rare but I am saying it's far more common for people to be able to stay for as long as they like.

Problem is you rarely get people signing on and starting up threads about how they've been in a house for 5 years uninterrupted. :rolleyes:

I've said many times we've lived in our flat for 11 years, without a s.21.

Law centres do see it a lot, revenge s.21s for wanting repairs, and more tenants are put off complaining in case it happens.

Really2

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

HA is included in social housing, not private.

I know they are social landlords but the companies/charitys owning the housing stock could be classed as private companys unlike council houses.
(We credit check HA's as they are companies that is why I question that they may be put under the "private " banner.)

olly300

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I've said many times we've lived in our flat for 11 years, without a s.21.

Law centres do see it a lot, revenge s.21s for wanting repairs, and more tenants are put off complaining in case it happens.

I'm sure the CAB published a report about it last year.

chucky

JonnyBravo wrote: »

Yeah, yeah, we all hear these anecdotal stories.
Don't suppose you've got any evidence to quantify how often it happens? I'm not saying it's rare but I am saying it's far more common for people to be able to stay for as long as they like.

Problem is you rarely get people signing on and starting up threads about how they've been in a house for 5 years uninterrupted. :rolleyes:

very rare - i've seen this very rarely personally, most i've ever had was a one renewal on a one year contract.

SingleSue

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

The key thing about BTL is the transience of people owing to insecurity of tenure. In the old council housing, people had security of tenure and often stayed where they were. For example, my Grandma has lived in the same (now-ex) council house since the mid-1950s (she RTB'ed in about 1980-ish), and has had the same next-door neighbour for the same period of time. There is a very strong sense of community on the the estate, with people helping each other out etc.

I live on what was a council road (can't really say estate as it isn't large enough!) but what is now housing association.

I would agree with the security of tenure...we have the same rights and security as the old council tenants. I have been here nearly 11 years, one of my next door neighbours has been here 13 years, over the road is 15 years, a fellow a few doors down over 50 years, the newest resident has been here 2 years.

We have a wonderful community, we all look out for each other, help out when needed - there was several occasions when our opposite neighbour would turn out at 3am in the morning to babysit the children whilst hubby was rushed into hospital.

It's not all bad being in social housing....thank goodness!