Can you be ticketed without a paper ticket?

Neil_B

Well, there ya go - local paper reporting standards - just as I've been reading in crabmans recent thread! hopelessly inaccurate.

Neil_B

Crabman wrote: »

I meant a timescale in terms of the council sending a PCN, just like in alleged speeding cases the NIP must be sent to arrive within 14 days.

Ah got ya now.
yep 28 days as long as details are readily provided by DVLA. (most major Councils have direct links). I think Council must ask for the details in first 14 days as well though.
In ceratain circumstances, hire/lease/company car - up to a maximum of six months.

soolin

Oh dear my OH has just reminded me that 'I' won't get the ticket he will as he bought my car for me as a gift and it was registered to him. I'm glad I told him now!

Hmm, I wonder if he will pay it for me if I ask nicely.

I was thinking about this this afternoon and it occured to me that whilst my initial thought was that I can't park there again in reality if I want to continue to run my business I will have to risk the yellow line again at least once a week when I have too much to carry. On most days I can manage with a couple of carrier bags, but it is just the odd large item or several large books that get me.

Maybe I should invest in one of those crates on wheels arrangements instead?

Orford

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TheBogsDollocks

soolin wrote: »

Oh well, cest La vie.

All my local post offices have single yellow lines outside which people park on as lots like me are ebayers and can't physically carry the amount of stuff we often have to post. I came out of the PO today to see a camera car just pulling away, so I asusme I will get a ticket. Is it 2 weeks now I have to wait for the bad news.

I'm either going to have to sell lighter things or rethink my posting strategy.

I read this post recently on PePipoo. I advise checking the wording of the relevant TRO and if it is similar you may be exempt while collecting or delivering postal packets.

"The decision to include an exemption for vehicles used in connection with postal delivery/collection is down to the Local Authority who have responsibility for Traffic Regulation Orders. I'm not aware of any legal obligation imposed on LA's to provide this exemption.

My local TRO provides the exemption in the manner below.

Nothing in Articles 82 (No waiting At Any Time), 83, 84, 90, 91, 97, 101 and 102 shall render it unlawful to cause or
permit a vehicle to wait in a restricted road or parking place, for so long as may be necessary
to enable the vehicle to be used for the purpose of delivering or collecting postal packets as
defined in Section 87 of the Post Office Act 1953;

* note...I believe the Post Office Act 1953 has been repealed and believe The Postal Services Act 2000 section 125(1) has the relevant definition...here..“postal packet” means a letter, parcel, packet or other article transmissible by post", Someone should tell my LA's legal dept...lol!

The example above is found worded the same in many TRO's and quite clearly the restriction is not purely for the sole benefit of Royal Mail. The exemption only exists where the vehicle is parked for the purposes specified and does not permit any other unrelated activity. As I understand it, if you or I were only delivering or collecting a single letter then we would be exempt while doing so. Obviously this probably is not the intended purpose of the exemption but it's up to them to amend it if they wish to limit inclusion.

For supporting evidence you will need to produce proof of posting or collection but thats easily done".

flossy_splodge

Sorry to hijack but - can you explain the meaning of the road markings 'loading'?

From this thread I get the impression I would be covered for example if collecting from a shop. Is that the case?

And does it matter what I am collecting?

I always assumed the 'loading' areas were for commercial vehicles only?

TheBogsDollocks

flossy_splodge wrote: »

Sorry to hijack but - can you explain the meaning of the road markings 'loading'?

From this thread I get the impression I would be covered for example if collecting from a shop. Is that the case?

And does it matter what I am collecting?

I always assumed the 'loading' areas were for commercial vehicles only?

A loading bay unless signed otherwise (eg: Goods vehicles only) is available to be used by any vehicle, commercial or not. If you are collecting from a shop for the purpose of loading then generally an authority has to accept this. It's important to note that "Loading" does not include the time taken to purchase an item. However, most CEO's will only observe for 5 minutes and if they do not witness any loading activity they issue a PCN. You will then need to provide an explanation of why in that 5 minutes no loading activity was witnessed by the CEO. Authorities argue that loading has to be continuous but in reality there is not usually any legal basis for such a claim. Most Traffic Regulation Orders merely use the phrase "so long as may be necessary" and do not put a limit on the time taken. So long as you can produce a witness statement or a receipt that backs up your claim that loading was occurring you should be abe to claim the exemption. An authority will not usually cancel at the informal appeal stage, it is only at the fomal stage they start to play by the rules.

flossy_splodge

Thanks for that.
The reason I asked is I have to collect my elderly father's prescription on a regular basis and the Pharmacy is on a busy street but with 'loading areas' outside.
If I'm in a real hurry it's a pain as the nearest paid parking is abouit 10 mins walk away so if you pay for half an hour you in fact could be over the time if there was a queue in thePharmacy.
if I'm allowed to go in to collect (prescription always prenotified to them) using the 'loading' facility, my life would be much less stressed!:o

Neil_B

I get the fact that it is far more convenient but on the face of it - certainly pushing the definition a bit.
A prescription could be something bulky I suppose. Whether you qualify as loading is really down to exactly what, etc.
I suppose it could feasibly qualify based on the 'nature' of the goods? It will be interesting to see if 'Bogs' offers an opinion cos the postal packets info was interesting.

TheBogsDollocks

flossy_splodge wrote: »

Thanks for that.
The reason I asked is I have to collect my elderly father's prescription on a regular basis and the Pharmacy is on a busy street but with 'loading areas' outside.
If I'm in a real hurry it's a pain as the nearest paid parking is abouit 10 mins walk away so if you pay for half an hour you in fact could be over the time if there was a queue in thePharmacy.
if I'm allowed to go in to collect (prescription always prenotified to them) using the 'loading' facility, my life would be much less stressed!:o

So long as the time taken is within the authority's observation period (usually 5 minutes) then you will be safe. However, if you take longer and a PCN is issued, it is highly unlikely that collecting a prescription will be accepted in an appeal as requiring the use of a loading bay unless the item/items cannot be reasonably carried to the nearest parking place.

Many pharmacies operate a scheme where they can collect repeat presriptions from your doctor and deliver the medicine to your door. I don't believe they charge for this and it will save you the worry. Talk to your GP reception they will know what pharmacies offer this service.