A social revolution?

Kez100

Years ago didn't solicitors engage as middle man on private lending? What happened to stop this? Was there new legislaion / was it too risky?

CoogarUK

Grade_A_Reject wrote: »

why do the banks still have such a stranglehold on the money markets?

Because, rightly or wrongly, that's where most of the money being borrowed and lent out is.

neverdespairgirl

hethmar wrote: »

Nope sorry, not 30 years after Christ - Christ was born sometime in September anyway (remember those shepherds on hill tops with sheep? The sheep were always safely back in their sheds by the time it got too cold in October up there )He also told his disciples not to celebrate his birth. So I think you have got the dates in a twist there, more like 300 years ago I should think.

It doesn't really get cold in Bethlehem, though?

dad-of-4

Conrad wrote: »

"Christmas has become a vulgar materialistic exuse for people to gorge and indulge, we need to get back to the founding principles"

i enjoy every minute of gorging and indulging my overdraft once a year at christmas, its a wonderfull indulgance to be saying yes, instead of no, cant afford, when i was a lad....

pity the fool who also indulges but pretends it means more.

the amount of people you see with arms laden with over indulgence who then bleat on about how materialistic it is, blah blah blah.

it make my hand itch just thinking about it.:mad:

baileysbattlebus

Pobby wrote: »

Great posts!!!!
Loads of youngsters in my family. If you asked them who the PM was it`s possible they wouldn`t know and care even less.

Gordon Brown was on the news last night - I asked our grandson who is 7, if he knew who he was, "Gordon Brown" he said. I asked if he knew what he did - "he's the prime minister" - was I suprised - yes, very.

The news is not prescribed veiwing for GS, he normally goes off and does something else when it comes on - as you do when you are 7. They're either being taught a bit more than reading writing and 'rithmetic at school or they pick up more than you think.

Your young relatves probably know a lot more than you give them credit for.

indierocker85

I beleive people will be far more cautious and sassy consumers if and when the recession eases, Martin will be oh so proud.

I work in Sales and the amount of people constantly seeking deals and discounts, presumably as they have less disposable income is out of this world. I think us as consumers will take more time to shop around and seek out better deals. Yet this could be a very bad thing for some retailers.

Maybe I'm wrong, just my opinion I guess

indierocker85

hethmar wrote: »

Nope sorry, not 30 years after Christ - Christ was born sometime in September anyway (remember those shepherds on hill tops with sheep? The sheep were always safely back in their sheds by the time it got too cold in October up there )He also told his disciples not to celebrate his birth. So I think you have got the dates in a twist there, more like 300 years ago I should think.

He was born on Christmas day = 25th december

dad-of-4

indierocker85 wrote: »

He was born on Christmas day = 25th december

some say he was never born atall


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw

Sweetpeanut

vivatifosi wrote: »

I would love society to be more caring and considerate, but I don't know that it's all about money or whether the current downturn/recession/depression (whatever with hindsight it turns out to be) will cure anything.

Small things wind me up: the fact that many people can't be bothered to take their trolley back in the supermarket; or don't open doors for people at shopping centres when they are clearly struggling with prams/wheelchairs and so forth; or getting the bird from the driver behind me because I let someone out in traffic; or the feral kids for whom it is ok to kick a ball around your car because bizarrely it apparently isn't safe for them to go to the local park any more.
TOTALLY AGREE :T:T:T,WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID, SOME PEOPLE NOWADAYS WILL ONLY HELP OTHERS, IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN IT FOR THEM, THERE IS NO SENSE OF COMMUNITY SPIRIT ANYMORE, PEOPLE DON'T RESPECT YOUR PROPERTY, BELONGINGS CARS ETC, A YEAR AGO I HAD TO TAKE MY DD1 INTO HOSPITAL WITH BREATHING DIFFICULTIES, AND WHEN WE CAME OUT FEW HOURS LATER, OUR CAR HAD BEEN "KEYED" ALL DOWN 1 SIDE, CAUSING £300 WORTH OF DAMAGE, AT LEAST WITH THIS "CREDIT-CRUNCH" I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KNOCK SOME PEOPLE OFF MY XMAS LIST (THOSE WHO DON'T APPRECIATE ANYTHING!!) AND SAVE MYSELF THE STRESS OF CHOOSING GIFTS FOR THOSE WHO ARE NEVER HAPPY;).

mvengemvenge

Pobby wrote: »

So when the dust has settled and we are all returned to some stability do you think that we might return to some more positive values?

It's a nice thought, but I fear we will never be able to put the genie back into the bottle.

Witness the large out-of-town shopping centres. People still going there in droves to look around, but not many buying. We're addicted to consumerism, so we still feel we have to go there, even though for many it's just somewhere to go to be 'seen', like promenading was for Edwardians.

It feels like a Roadrunner cartoon, you know where they run off a cliff and they keep on running for a while, then suddenly realise and plummet. It's like we're going through the death throes before we eventually have to face facts that the world has changed.

I'm becoming more and more fearful that where we are heading is a place where there are lots and lots of robberies, muggings, thefts as people become desperate for things they can no longer get loans to buy. I've read that the government have been warned about rioting around the country (a la 1981).

I don't think most people have read what's actually going on outside the UK. No-one wants to lend our government any money, as they can see we're going down the pan and they've all got serious problems of their own anyway. Other countries are imploding bit by bit. There may be temporary blip while governments try to pump more money in to steady their economies, but most economist don't think it will save them.

It's nice to think we might return to a more genteel age, be self-sufficient, show respect, etc, but I just can't see people in today's dog-eat-dog world doing that, in fact I can see them doing exactly the opposite.

I fear a new dark age.

Let's hope I'm just a pessimistic idiot.