Married couples 'punished by tax system'

carolt

There's no such thing as an accidental father.

Having sex can make babies. 11 year olds are taught this at school.

If you haven't figured this out yet, you're definitely far too young to be having sex.

And what's wrong with making babies?

Lovely things - you should be so lucky.:)

harry_w

carolt wrote: »

Yes it is.

Or is that yet another thing that's someone else's responsibility?

Grow up.

Then you you're arguing that consent to intercourse is consent to parenthood.

With choice comes responsibility.

exil

Back to the original point....

anyone who gets married for tax reasons is getting married for the wrong reasons, surely

and for people I know who have been through it, divorce is a financial disaster. Instead of 1 mortgage and 1 set of bills you now have 2.

carolt

harry_w wrote: »

Then you you're arguing that consent to intercourse is consent to parenthood.

With choice comes responsibility.

Yes I am arguing that.

Well spotted.

If you don't want to risk becoming a dad, don't have sex.

Simple. Never fails.

bubblesmoney

JayScottGreenspan wrote: »

Pressuring a woman to decide either way is pretty indefensible.

Should accidental fathers be chased for maintenance? Dunno, very difficult question, but I would plan on the basis that I would be...

you cause a car accident you pay for it. same logic when you cause a child to be born then you better pay for it for the rest of your life (atleast till they become adults and independent). you pay for the child you 'sired' whether you live with the child or not. one needs to think before one sows their oats and if one doesnt think and still sows their oats then they need to pay for the consequences.

bubblesmoney

working couples are encouraged in the usa after the clinton welfare programs cut benefits to people with children on benefits !!! and it worked by reducing benefit seekers by 53% in 3 years (1997 -2000) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

didnt want to repeat my post on another thread. here is the link to my post about the clinton welfare program about time limitted welfare aid and encouraged people to work and cut govt spending on benefits in usa.

harry_w

carolt wrote: »

Yes I am arguing that.

Well spotted.

If you don't want to risk becoming a dad, don't have sex.

Simple. Never fails.

You're only applying your simple argument to men, otherwise you're suggesting that if a woman consents to sex, she is also consenting to parenthood and has no right to choose otherwise. (That's same as you argue re: men).

It's a pro-life/anti-abortion position, but the law as it stands enshrines the woman's right to choose whether sex may or may not lead to parenthood, so for a man consent to sex is taken to be consent to parenthood, but not a woman.

As the law stands, men are compelled to underwrite a woman's 'right to choose' parenthood.

It seems obvious to me that the responsibility for parenthood lies with the right to make that choice, and outside of a contractual relationship between both parties like marriage, there's no basis for assuming that consent or imposing responsibilities like child maintenance that go with it.