Boom-time on benefits: The 140,000 families who claim £20,000 a year in handouts

Kenny4315

MrsE wrote: »

We have a far far greater problem in this country with an indigenous population that WON'T work, than immigrants that come here looking for work!!!!
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I have had polish and romanian guys working on my sites and they have been pretty good, there are tons of lazy :mad: Idle :mad: :mad: workshy :mad: british youths knocking about who need a kick up the !!!!!. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have also had Polish guys as tenants, who were clean, tidy, prompt payers and hard workers.

MrsE_2

Kenny4315 wrote: »

I have had polish and romanian guys working on my sites and they have been pretty good, there are tons of lazy :mad: Idle :mad: :mad: workshy :mad: british youths knocking about who need a kick up the !!!!!. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have also had Polish guys as tenants, who were clean, tidy, prompt payers and hard workers.

I was chatting to an English builder who said that when the east Europeans first came over they had a hard time getting a start on sites.
But once they got on they were the preferred choice by the hirers (didn't come in hungover like the Irish & British - so it was said).

I'm surprised at the venom shown to the Poles, they were our staunchest allies in WW2 & their bravery was unparallelled, why do they get such a hard time now

bo_drinker

:rotfl: edcuation ?? I'm p1ssed off with the lazy b4stards too. Trouble is we are into 3rd and 4th generation, the word WORK doesn't come into their vocabulary and never will. Which political party really intends to or will be able to make a stand against them when thousands of decent hard working folk are being made unemployed every week. This is heaven for them, best excuse to carry on, no jobs out there mate they'll be bleating
Back when times were good with low unemployment they should have been forced in to the type of work all Eastern Europeans came to do. (not knocking the E Euros) just our system has been too soft for too long now and it's too late to round the b4stards up now. :mad:

Kenny4315

MrsE wrote: »

I was chatting to an English builder who said that when the east Europeans first came over they had a hard time getting a start on sites.
But once they got on they were the preferred choice by the hirers (didn't come in hungover like the Irish & British - so it was said).

I'm not suprised in the past few years English builders think they can turn up when they fancy, spend all day drinking tea and on mobiles and then get paid £300 plus a day, for doing an average job. Hope the recession bites these guys right up the !!!!!.

fc123

SingleSue wrote: »

My cats love their little titbits of whatever meat we have had for dinner but I don't think they would like to have it all the time as their meals....I also get the ham scraps at the supermarket for us (32p for 100grams) which is lovely in sandwiches, salads and as a cat treat.

Talking about cats, so glad I kept up the cat insurance as my youngest cat has just been diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia in both hips and goes in for his first operation next Monday, thankfully my insurance is a decent one and he has life of illness cover upto £6k a year....apparently it is quite rare in cats so not much information is around and I am absolutely dreading it and getting in a state already.

Ssshh Singlesue...wrong thread to talk about cat insurance But I hope he gets better. You 'should' be wearing you very itchy hair shirt right now and giving thanks for small mercies.

Immigrants..where do we start? I never understood Hitler and the holocaust when I learnt about at school......as I couldn't work out how so many decent, ordinary people got caught up in the whole 'ethnic cleansing process'...but it seems to be a mood that comes from fear or blame.

I have come across many illegal immigrants in my work (as, up until 4 yrs ago , my design studio was in Brick Lane.....and you meet people day to day) and they are just the same as you and me. Same concerns, same needs, same worries over providing for their families...just more difficult as they are illegal...and have no safety net.

The world is for everyone...it's just pot luck where you were born really.

All the Eastern Europeans I know are bright, intelligent, hard working, ambitious...they aren't some strange, different race apart at all. Just the same as us....except they didn't have many opportunities in their own country years back....so came here, learnt the language and started a new life away from home and family. Not that easy, I would say.

I also trade with Chinese immigrants in my work....just the same as me really.
The main difference, they have taken the time to learn English, re-settle, set up a business to sell the products made by their families.etc.
I make things in UK, I also buy in things from them...it's all honest trading.

The funniest thing is to hear OH sister go on about how she can't get a job now because of the Polish and all the zillions of other immigrants ''taking jobs''

She hasn't worked for 20 years....the benefits people are getting a bit tetchy with her now as the youngest is 13....but, hey, there's no job NOW for her because of the immigrants?? She doesn't want a job that has to pay for all her needs (a little, teeny tiny one on the side is OK as not too time consuming or stressful) and she uses the whole immigrant thing as an excuse.
But, in a few years, the payments for the kids stop and she will be even less suitable for well paid work (aged 47 with no up to date skills) and life will just be about getting by week to week....dreaming of winning the lottery.
That's not much fun at all.

Personally, I don't get wound up about it as for every scrounger I have met in my life, I have also known a Singlesue type (sorry SS, just using you as an example) so it balances out for me.....anyway, the taxes I pay go all on NHS frontline staff wages.;)
Plus there but for the grace of God, go any one of us.

SingleSue

The problem is that those newly unemployed people will get stereotyped the same as the longer termed unemployed just because some/most (by the time their savings run out) will be claiming for something.

In a lot of peoples eyes, benefit claimant = scum, regardless of how you ended up there or how long you have been there...they only tend to change their mind after you have been completely stripped of any dignity, feel ashamed and had to tell your life story of how you got to be on benefits to everyone.

It is not an easy market out there to obtain employment, even for the newly unemployed and especially if their experience has been in retail - I am now hearing horror stories of those who have been made redundant in the last few months and despite applying for virtually every job going (even those paying minimum wage, cleaning etc), they have still not been able to obtain employment again and it is only going to get worse as companies tighten their belts.

As a couple of examples

Our local paper job insert each week used to run to approx 16-20 pages each week, you are lucky if you get 3 pages now.

Our local county council website used to take me a good hour or so to look through all the vacancies with literally hundreds of jobs available, yesterday it took me 10 minutes with only 57 vacancies some of which were relief jobs, some were permanent adverts for lollypop people and maybe 40 real full time jobs (if that)..and not particularly great money either for the majority. This covers an area from Felixstowe right the way through to Lowestoft..the whole of Suffolk.

Yes there are some jobs available but they are becoming fewer by the week but the amount looking is becoming greater.

This is not hearsay or rumour but my own personal experience as a job hunter.

mewbie_2

fc123 wrote: »

Plus there but for the grace of God, go any one of us.

Worth a requote.

Kenny4315

I'd stop handouts entirely for those who had not contributed, except for those with legitimate reason. (handicapped, disabled, (by disabled I mean properly disabled not just disabled when it comes to work and not when it comes to being a football linesman on Sunday).

What the hell is wrong with Britain when someone can work all there lives and then be penalised, pay for dental, pay for prescription, pay for council tax, pay for house, pay tax on savings, pay .....etc etc ........, while these lazy bar stewards who put nothing in take loads out.

Mr CLOWN and Hs Darling need to pull their fingers out, if that's possible.

nickmason

Extraordinary isn't it how there's all this vitriol against the immigrants taking jobs, and another thread going on about where people would emmigrate to. A lot of people won't leave, but those that will do are talking about working abroad.

They'll probably need the work ethic of most of our hard working immigrants.

EDIT: do I get a Zavvi voucher for using the phrase "hard working immigrants"? ;)

Kenny4315

fc123 wrote: »

anyway, the taxes I pay go all on NHS frontline staff wages.;) .

I was talking to a friend of mine who has a B&B, he said that he had a nurse staying over, who said that she'd be better off on benefits than working as a nurse. If this is the case then in my opinion the system is well and truly .DEKCUF