Does Exercise Really Keep Us Healthy?

pillypilla

OK, something I'm failing to understand about all of this (apart from how the humble and very unrefined potato can make you fat!) is, what is the motivation behind the authorities deliberately misleading us and basically lying? In fact, do all health professionals e.g dieticians even know they are giving false information or have they also been lied to throughout their training? I ask because surely the Powers That Be are just shooting themselves in the foot.
If they know that carbs (even unrefined ones) increase appetite, make us put on weight etc, then there's all the risk factors that come with being overweight or having high blood sugar, why then would they sit back and watch as our health resources and NHS namely, struggles to cope with what are, essentially preventable diseases/disorders, causing a massive drain on our economy? Then there's all the sick days taken, tax - payers having to fork out for others etc.
How can they knowingly lie to us by promoting a high carb diet, knowing that they are responsible for so many illnesses? Just don't get it

pillypilla

oops! Didn't mean to do that. lap top went queer!:o

Ted_Hutchinson

pillypilla wrote: »

OK, something I'm failing to understand about all of this (apart from how the humble and very unrefined potato can make you fat!)

Taubes Berkeley lecture Takes about an hour to explain the basics. The Diet Delusion £7.79 Takes at least 3 weeks to read and you may need to read it twice before you take all the science in.

When you do you will understand how carbohydrates cause your body to burn glucose and add any surplus energy to the stores of fat in adipose tissue.

is, what is the motivation behind the authorities deliberately misleading us and basically lying? In fact, do all health professionals e.g dieticians even know they are giving false information or have they also been lied to throughout their training? I ask because surely the Powers That Be are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Indeed but if you look at the list of USA food subsidies you will see that the subsidies for the most healthy foods (grass fed meat, wild fish, organic vegetables aren't there
Now consider where most funding for research comes from.
If your lab, university, peer reviewed journal is dependent on obtaining money from big business, government or advertising are you going to research issues that are likely to prove big business, government policies and advertisers are promoting products that lead to higher mortality.

Would you put the career you love and on which your mortgage and family depend, on the line, to prove these powerful forces are committing genocide worldwide?

Gary Taubes talking to Jimmy Moore this week Now do you understand why he sounds so dejected.

If they know that carbs (even unrefined ones) increase appetite, make us put on weight etc, then there's all the risk factors that come with being overweight or having high blood sugar, why then would they sit back and watch as our health resources and NHS namely, struggles to cope with what are, essentially preventable diseases/disorders, causing a massive drain on our economy?

Because from the day they start training the culture is not to challenge orthodox consensus opinion. If this is what we do then that is the accepted norm. The science, the facts then has to be manipulated to fit what is the consensus opinion.
That is why we use statins.
Consensus opinion has been manipulated by the profit motive of big business and no one has to courage (apart from a few people like Kendrick and co) to stand up and shout out that the Emperors new clothes are transparent.

How can they knowingly lie to us by promoting a high carb diet, knowing that they are responsible for so many illnesses? Just don't get it

No nor do I. But it's the same with Vitamin D3.

There can't be sentient being who isn't aware that the Synthetic ERGOCALCIFEROL Vitamin D2 is badly absorbed by older people in particular and may not be utilised at all by many folks yet because it costs more (more profit for big pharma) than Cholecalciferol (the natural version biologically identical to the stuff your skin makes) and is less effective, shorter acting, less safe and less effient but D3 is not a prescribable product and D2 is.

The best interests of big business and health professionals are systematically put before the best interests of patients.

The same applies to the recommendations for Vitamiin D intake.
You only have to compare the levels associated with least chronic illness

With the levels the average UK adult has through the year. To see why we have the level of disease we do.

To get from current levels to the level associated with least chronic illness requires an additional 5000iu/daily but you won't find any health professional saying that.
It would be bad for business and would certainly knock the profits of big pharma if people didn't get colds or flu in winter.

If people knew that vitamin D status affected the amount of pain they felt they would raise vitamin D status and not buy pain killers. Think how that badly would affect the drug dealers?.

Fern_Merkin

I am always grateful to you Ted for posting about low carb and vitamin D.

I do not care if you sound over enthusiastic and that does not put me off increasing my knowledge base for myself. From talking to friends I realise that most of us have been brainwashed into eating carbs all the time and staying out of the sun. All I can do is offer information whilst watching people I love put themselves at risk.

I will keep talking about it though as I cannot change things for them, just offer an alternative when they are ready. If they are not aware of alternative thinking it will never figure in their speculations. So like you I keep the info available.

Keep up the good work!

FX

Lilith1980

I knew I shouldnt have read this thread as I end up feeling guilty for eating bread, potatoes, rice and cereals :eek: :embarasse

I do eat a lot of carbs but have a healthy BMI of 20.

I guess the reason for this is that I am gluten and dairy intolerant so I cannot have proper bread or pasta, so my main staples are rice and potatoes. I do eat gluten free bread for my lunch but dinner is either with rice, rice noodles (if having a curry) or a dish with potatoes. I cannot have real butter/cheese/milk so I have to have soya alternatives which has cut a lot of fat from my diet.

My friend has been on atkins for about 4 years on and off and all I see is her starting off with the best will in the world and then caving in to massive carb cravings. I cannot see any difference in whether she's lost weight or not.

I had an eating disorder when I was younger so the word "diet" sounds warning bells for me because for some people it can end up as an obsession. And I'm not likening a diet to an eating disorder, but that is sometimes how these things develop. I guess my carb intake might be too much but I am enjoying eating again full stop, and I think my eating habits HAVE to be healthy to some extent because of the foods I cannot eat.

Someone said on this thread that everyone's bodies are different and different foods work for different people. I think this could be true - some people find it easier to eat what they like (lucky b*ggers) but I think we should be careful not to change our eating habits because one particular way might work for a certain person or group of people.

I am going to start going to the gym, not to lose weight but to tone up and because I think it might help me feel a bit more confident about myself. Maybe that is what ultimately people should exercise for. Yes, a lot of people do it because need to lose weight for health reasons, but I think there is a lot of obsession over how we look/how much we weigh/what we eat (I am guilty of this too) and it would be nice if we could do something simply because it made us feel good rather than because we felt we had to

Sorry if I've waffled :rolleyes:

Ted_Hutchinson

Lilith1980 wrote: »

I do eat a lot of carbs but have a healthy BMI of 20

For many years the same applied to me. I felt I could eat/drink anything and did and I was always around 10.7 and had a 32inch waist. I was when I was in my 40's that things started to change and my waist slowly at first started to grow bigger until this time last year I was t 14.9 and a 42inch waist.

Then I first discovered Taubes and understood where I had gone wrong. I really did think that wholefood, low glycemic index was the way to go.

I guess the reason for this is that I am gluten and dairy intolerant so I cannot have proper bread or pasta, so my main staples are rice and potatoes. I do eat gluten free bread for my lunch but dinner is either with rice, rice noodles (if having a curry) or a dish with potatoes. I cannot have real butter/cheese/milk so I have to have soya alternatives which has cut a lot of fat from my diet.

I really think you need to think about adding in good sources of fat back to your diet. Fat is very satiating so you eat less food when the fat content is higher. See What Peter at Hyperlipid has to say You may find some of his blogs a bit difficult to understand at first but stay with it and keep trying and you will begin to understand the benefits of a proper natural higher fat diet.

My friend has been on atkins for about 4 years on and off and all I see is her starting off with the best will in the world and then caving in to massive carb cravings. I cannot see any difference in whether she's lost weight or not.

Carbohydrates are addictive and some people have genes that predispose them to becoming addicted to things that are bad for them.

I had an eating disorder when I was younger so the word "diet" sounds warning bells for me because for some people it can end up as an obsession.

I try very hard to refer to Dr DahlQvist's plan as a way of eating, rather than a diet. I think people have got to to grasp that some foods are not ideally suited for humans and we are healthier in the long run if we avoid them. {url=http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/04/leptin-and-lectins-part-iii.html]This blog from Stephan Whole Health Source[/url] explains why both wheat and Soy may be bad for you.

And I'm not likening a diet to an eating disorder, but that is sometimes how these things develop. I guess my carb intake might be too much but I am enjoying eating again full stop, and I think my eating habits HAVE to be healthy to some extent because of the foods I cannot eat.

Someone said on this thread that everyone's bodies are different and different foods work for different people. I think this could be true

While I think it may be true there is a slight difference in tolerance between individuals, and also that the period of time and the other foods you are eating could build up a particular individual ecosystem (natural microflora and vitamin D/omega 3/magnesium/calcium status) that deals better with certain foods, I think the fundamental principles remain the same. Those foods our bodies evolved over many thousands of years to cope with are probably better for us in as near to unprocessed/unrefined state as possible. I think Michael Pollen is probably right in suggesting that if you guess your great grandmother would recognize the item as food then it probably should be avoided.

This article by David Mendosa Exercise for Maintaining Weight Loss shows that there is a good long term reason for ensuring you get plenty of exercise in a manner that you can enjoy and are happy to spend a significant amount of time doing each week.
Exercise is excellent for both your brain and your heart, so enjoy it. It will make you feel better and help keep the weight off. We just shouldn't be pushing it as the first answer to obesity. Once people reduce carbohydrate intake they will feel more energetic and then they will become more physically active.