Does Exercise Really Keep Us Healthy?

brokeinwales

I think your obsession with "science" kind of led you to miss my point Ted...
(and when did I say anything about dougnuts? There's a difference between eating a pasta with tomato sauce and stuffing yourself with doughnuts)

I wasn't questioning that low carb/ vitamin D/ whatever else you might get up to works for you.

I am kind of wondering what your motives with endlessly promoting all this are though. If your aim is to open people's minds to a new way of eating then your over-bearing, patronising and arrogant attitude, which borders on the evangelistic at times, isn't going to help. If I came to this thread willing to believe that low carb diets to be a valid and interesting new approach to health, warranting further investigation, I'm leaving it all the more convinced that it's something preached by obsessive and humourless nutters who think that adding footnotes to something makes it irefutable.

If you're genuinly interested in helping people discover something which may help them, rather than simply being smug and self-righteous, I might suggest you take a different approach to your communication.

What encourages most people to adapt certain practices is if, with friendly good humour, you let people know "Well this worked for me, why not give it a try?" or "I read this interesting article - may be worth a go.". If you bash people over the head with your ideas, they're just going to run away (like they do from the man with the loudspeaker spouting off about damnation.)

"I am right, if you don't all immediately convert to be exactly like me you are clearly stupid." is rarely helpful if you want people to warm to you.

Not that I dream you will actually take this advice, interpret it correctly, or ever entertain the idea that anyone other than you and the people you've googled who support your arguments, could ever have a point.

I'm just a stupid carb-eater who knows nothing about science after all.... I guess my wheat addiction has addled my brain or something.

I am not a scientist. I am someone who enjoys exercise, has personally felt the benefits, and knows that their diet works for them.
So no, I don't know a lot of science (although considering your reliance on other people's writings, I'd question whether you do either.)

I like to think I know a little about human nature though.


I am now going to go and eat a big doughnut. So there.

Mutter_2

pillypilla wrote: »

I meant that I agree with a lot of brokeinwales" comments:o Ted beat me to it! Just too damn slow at typing! LOL :rotfl:

Hi, pillypilla. The fastest way to thank and agree with brokeinwales, is to press her "Thanks" button, just to the bottom right of her/his post.:D

Ted_Hutchinson, what are the two identities you refer to from Mr Detox?
Also no, you didn't use your brain to arrive at a low carb diet, someone else did it for you.

I see the point of high protein and varied veg regimen, but why then the need for vitamin/mineral and fibre supplements.?

Mutter_2

I'll throw in a "dogmatic" for you brokeinwales. It'll be like water off a duck's back though.

melancholly

*waiting for Ted to call brokeinwales a troll*

great post btw

Ted_Hutchinson

brokeinwales wrote: »

I think your obsession with "science" kind of led you to miss my point Ted...

Maybe but I think it is important that people understand why I believe what I do. So providing links to my source material helps them understand what I am saying better if they choose to follow the links to that source material.

(and when did I say anything about dougnuts? There's a difference between eating a pasta with tomato sauce and stuffing yourself with doughnuts)

And when did I say anything about sitting in mud baths, or living off watermelon alone

I am kind of wondering what your motives with endlessly promoting all this are though. If your aim is to open people's minds to a new way of eating then your over-bearing, patronising and arrogant attitude, which borders on the evangelistic at times, isn't going to help

But the difference between us is that I have carefully researched my posts and know what I am talking about. If you don't like the truth don't read my posts. Simple.

If you're genuinly interested in helping people discover something which may help them, rather than simply being smug and self-righteous, I might suggest you take a different approach to your communication.

I will continue to post in the same manner as I always do. If you don't like my style then use the ignore facility.

What encourages most people to adapt certain practices is if, with friendly good humour, you let people know "Well this worked for me, why not give it a try?" or "I read this interesting article - may be worth a go.". If you bash people over the head with your ideas, they're just going to run away (like they do from the man with the loudspeaker spouting off about damnation.)

I don't particularly care what stupid people do, nor do I care particularly what happens to them. Providing I have spelled out the truth of the issue as clearly and simply as I can and provided links to my sources of information it's up to the reader what to make of it.

"I am right, if you don't all immediately convert to be exactly like me you are clearly stupid." is rarely helpful if you want people to warm to you.

But that would only matter if I cared what people think of me. I believe in speaking the truth and if you can't stand the truth when you hear it then that's your look out. It's about time you grew up.

Not that I dream you will actually take this advice, interpret it correctly, or ever entertain the idea that anyone other than you and the people you've googled who support your arguments, could ever have a point.

When people take the trouble to support their posts with evidence based information and provide links to their sources, I do consider those links. I take no notice whatsoever of mindless morons who just whinge on.

I'm just a stupid carb-eater who knows nothing about science after all.... I guess my wheat addiction has addled my brain or something.

Here is a link for the benefit of those who are interested in the science that explains the way wheat opiods work however it's clear some people here lack the ability to understand what these guys are saying or the implications it has on the way their bodies work. Here's what the Daily Mail has to say about Carb Addiction

Hopefully some of you will follow the links to Stephan's whole health source and make the effort to understand what he is saying. But it does take some mental effort to understand new ideas and that means trying to engage your brains. Sorry but if you don't like that idea you may as well not bother to read my posts.

brokeinwales

*** shrugs shoulders. Slopes off to eat killer pasta***

pillypilla

Oh dear. I can cut the atmosphere with a knife!:o Just a random post, just bought some 100% coconut oil (from Sri Lanka) £1.89 at the local "asian" shop for a 500ml pot. Was wondering though, if whatever I cook will always taste of coconut? Alright for certain things but not spag bol, for instance.....or coconutty fried eggs......:rolleyes: Will give it a whirl anyway, as read that it's healthier than veggie oil and is in fact an unsung superfood! Honestly, had no idea it is good for pretty much everything, I should recommend we get this stuff in bulk in the hospital!
But seriously, is there not a dietician or health professional out there who can give some input on this issue? Or should I start to view you all with suspision? LOL

Ted_Hutchinson

pillypilla wrote: »

Oh dear. I can cut the atmosphere with a knife!:o Just a random post, just bought some 100% coconut oil (from Sri Lanka) £1.89 at the local "asian" shop for a 500ml pot. Was wondering though, if whatever I cook will always taste of coconut? Alright for certain things but not spag bol, for instance.....or coconutty fried eggs......:rolleyes: Will give it a whirl anyway, as read that it's healthier than veggie oil and is in fact an unsung superfood! Honestly, had no idea it is good for pretty much everything, I should recommend we get this stuff in bulk in the hospital!
But seriously, is there not a dietician or health professional out there who can give some input on this issue? Or should I start to view you all with suspision? LOL

I think you should regard everything health professionals say with the utmost suspicion.

They are brainwashed never to contradict consensus medical opinion from the first day they start training.

Most of the chronic conditions of Western Civilisation are IATROGENIC

That means they are the result of health professionals interference.
If health professionals didn't tell us to stay out of the sun hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved.

If health professionals didn't tell use to stuff refined carbohydrates at every meal through the day we may stand a chance of beating obesity.

That is why we must rigorously examine the science to see what actually happens in the human body and act upon what we know to be true and based on actual up to date science and ignore medical dogma or anyone else who cannot back up their opinions with links to the actual science that supports those opinions.

With regard to the coconut oil. The stuff you have bought is fine for most uses. I've used it plenty of times but I don't have any Indian shops very near where I live so I buy a big 10kg drum of organic coconoil as well (works out around £3.50 for a pot your size. Much cheaper than similar organic coconut oil from health food shops. The organic coconut oil is more coconutty than the cheap. So really it depends on what you are cooking. I like coconut oil and fry my breakfast, onions for curries well everything in it. My partner is not so keen so I may use olive oil/butter mixed in with it to try to reduce the coconutty flavour. I don't think you'll notice it though with the cheaper stuff from Indian Corner shops. I should warn you that both types of coconut oil tend to splatter so make sure you have a lid handy, or use high sided pans or a larger pan. You can also just add a tsp to coffee instead of milk/cream, it's quite tasty.

brokeinwales

If health professionals didn't tell use to stuff refined carbohydrates at every meal

I don't know which health professionals you've been talking to! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living/nutrition/healthy_carbos.shtml - look I do links too....!)

Anyway - coconut oil - also a great intensive hair conditioner.... (massage into hair and scalp, leave on for a few hours, or overnight, then wash out with normal shampoo - leaves it lovely soft and shiny!). It's actually very nice in curries, not so great with medditeranean style dishes.

pillypilla

OK, something I'm failing to understand about all of this (apart from how the humble and very unrefined potato can make you fat!) is, what is the motivation behind the authorities deliberately misleading us and basically lying? In fact, do all health professionals e.g dieticians even know they are giving false information or have they also been lied to throughout their training? I ask because surely the Powers That Be are just shooting themselves in the foot.
If they know that carbs (even unrefined ones) increase appetite, make us put on weight etc, then there's all the risk factors that come with being overweight or having high blood sugar, why then would they sit back and watch as our health resources and NHS namely, struggles to cope with what are, essentially preventable diseases/disorders, causing a massive drain on our economy? Then there's all the sick days taken, tax - payers having to fork out for others etc.
How can they knowingly lie to us by promoting a high carb diet, knowing that they are responsible for so many illnesses? Just don't get it