Xmas Eve working to 8pm. Problems getting home!

SomeBozo

thought that if there is no public transport an employer cannot force you to work

If only this were true!!!!!!

. It would probably cost you that on a taxi fare alone

I think it will cost the OP their job.

Bozo

lrr_2

Personally I wouldnt be bullied into working hours I dont normally do unless

1. I had a car.
2. They provided the transport or at least met the cost halfway.

My safety would be more important than any job, just tell them you cant afford a taxi.

A_Nice_Englishman

SomeBozo wrote: »

Heres a possible reply to this letter :



Dear Mr X

Thanks for your letter.

Can you please clarify which employees are party to this letter. Please can you re-supply the letter with printed named and job titles with signed employee signatures.



IMO no one would put their name to this and the letter would die. I think I read somewhere as well that the OP is on diciplinary anyway which would add a level of sceptism from management and reluctantancy from other employees.

Add into this the current economic climate and the motion would be over.

Bozo

I probably didn't make it clear, but I would have had all staff due to work on Christmas Eve sign it

SomeBozo

A_Nice_Englishman wrote: »

I probably didn't make it clear, but I would have had all staff due to work on Christmas Eve sign it

It wouldn't happen!

Bozo

outsetsailer

Well, if my employer want to cut costs, insisting their employees to stay on 2.5 hours further is not the best thing. There are around 120 of us that work every day - 165 on the books. Our salary is £6.74 per hour. 120x(6.74x2.5) is £2022 extra. The team leaders get around £8.10 per hour 10x(8.10x2.5) - £202.50.

Now, I have heard they want us to do EXACTLY the same on NYE. From what happened last year, was very similar to Christmas Eve. People rather drink beer than contact us.

So our employer is forking out just under £4500 in wages for these unreasonable, unjust, unneeded five hours over 2 days. They won't be profitable at all.

Poppy9

lrr wrote: »

I thought that if there is no public transport an employer cannot force you to work, especially given the short notice unless they provide transport?

So how do the emergency services staff manage?

Irr wrote:

In the last place I worked, if the weather was bad and the buses were going off we were all sent home.

but they don't have to send you home. I work for the council and when it lasted snowed 95% of the schools closed yet we were told we could take annual leave/flexi if we had to get home and if the office was covered, else we had to stay. We also have an inclement weather policy which states we are to ignore police messages not to venture into work and to attend work if we live within reasonable walking distance (think it's 5 miles) else we have to use annual leave or lose a days pay.

Irr wrote:

Also is there not something to do with the employers insurance - im thinking in the way that if you ill at work for instance they are supposed to make sure you get home safely i.e paid taxi in case something happens.

nope.

Irr wrote:

Tell them you will only work till 4pm as you will not be putting your personal safety at risk for the sake of a few hours and that they can dock the other hours wages if they like. It would probably cost you that on a taxi fare alone, that assuming you could probably get a taxi!

and you would no doubt be sacked as their normal contracted hours are till 5.30pm.

Are you in a union?[/quote]

Poppy9

outsetsailer wrote: »

So our employer is forking out just under £4500 in wages for these unreasonable, unjust, unneeded five hours over 2 days. They won't be profitable at all.

They obviously feel it makes financial sense to ask you to work beyond your normal finishing time of 5.30pm as they won't be doing it out of spite.

You should consider that they may be looking to downsize i.e. cut staff and are hoping to use staff's unwillingness to work their normal hours as a reason for dismisal to save on redundancy pay. Or they could use it as a staff selection tool. i.e. the most accommodating employees keep their job. They are no longer allowed to do last in first out policy.

lrr_2

Poppy9 wrote: »

So how do the emergency services staff manage?

They have agreed to working these hours

It really depends if you want to work this day and pay it all out again on a taxi or throw a sickie.

Me I wouldnt go in, and deal after xmas. Or leave at your normal time so you can catch last bus/train home.

LittleVoice

Poppy9 wrote: »

They obviously feel it makes financial sense to ask you to work beyond your normal finishing time of 5.30pm as they won't be doing it out of spite.

You should consider that they may be looking to downsize i.e. cut staff and are hoping to use staff's unwillingness to work their normal hours as a reason for dismisal to save on redundancy pay. Or they could use it as a staff selection tool. i.e. the most accommodating employees keep their job. They are no longer allowed to do last in first out policy.

But you've just written that the normal finishing time is 5.30. And the staff are being asked to work to 8.

If they tried using unwillingness to work beyond normal hours on Christmas Eve as a factor in selecting for redundancy then I think there would be "a case to answer" in an ET.

ceridwen

Poppy9 wrote: »

You should consider that they may be looking to downsize i.e. cut staff and are hoping to use staff's unwillingness to work their normal hours as a reason for dismisal to save on redundancy pay. Or they could use it as a staff selection tool. i.e. the most accommodating employees keep their job. They are no longer allowed to do last in first out policy.

My point I made precisely - only I used the words "possible set-up". From what O.P. says about the wages costs involved - I feel its even more likely that this is what it is. Don't fall for it - whatever else you do. But - do keep arguing rationally against doing these hours.