Some of you are vultures

greenwheels007

My apologies if you misunderstood..
I wasn't suggesting that I pay a gas fitter £7 an hour to run a van, corgi registration, bacon rolls etc I was suggesting that now there is no work around they should be ok on £7 an hour jobs (driving, cleaning etc).
No tradesperson was taking less than £175 a day two years ago, so if the piggy bank is now empty then it's not my problem.
And on the subject of safety nets no-one can call a pension a safety net. Cash is a safety net and to suggest that the trades haven't had plenty of that in the past 10 years have been missing something.
I also apologise for the tarring of everyone. It is quite true that not all tradespeople are rip off merchants, they are the same as bankers really, there are good and bad. Maybe the recession will trim off the fat a bit!

tesuhoha

sarkin wrote: »

but what you dont understand is they work without a saftey net, maybe you should compare pensions.

No sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension.

tesuhoha

carolt wrote: »

Thank you.

What is DT though?

Discussion Time

greenwheels007

Ok ok point taken, holiday pay....cool!
Spain...mmmm

DirectDebacle

greenwheels007 wrote: »

Ok ok point taken, holiday pay....cool!
Spain...mmmm

I do hope your public sector job is in some obscure irrelevant department where you are far removed from causing anyone any harm. You give the impression of knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Your example of moving a doorway illustrates this. You have costed one job on labour and materials for that job to be representative of a years work. You have not factored in the training, knowledge or expertise that it took to acquire the skills to complete, what was to you, beyond your ability to do. If you calculate the worth of a job that way then apply it to the earnings of a solicitor who may charge £200.00 an hour but uses about £20.00 of paper, postage and ink a day.

Or apply it to your own job and see if you are overerpaid or not.

Did the £1500.00 give you a good job or were you left with a poor quality job. Was the property of equal, more or less value after the work had been completed. More importantly was the property more to your liking than before. How many quotes did you get?

Where are these £7 an hour driving or cleaning jobs. Govt. figs state there are about 1.8m unemployed and around 1/2m vacancies. Are you advocating job sharing?. Maybe you could job share with a tradesman and learn something useful.

dopester

LauraW10 wrote: »

I think, sadly, that those who are have been crying out for a HPC and cheering every piece of bad news are desperate for someone, anyone, to blame because they have realised that they might lose their job and that the HPC they have longed for is not going to be the nirvana they expected.

Sadly, recessions are unpleasant in the extreme and this one looks like it is going to be particularly nasty.

It seems the other way around to me. Home-owners and the BTL-ers who had come to count on such crazy high asset prices as permanent seem to be the ones kicking off. The nirvana is full speed ahead for me.

The example given by the guy now looking to sell... he bought out of fear that prices would continue going up way past current crazy affordability measures.

Market bubbles pull in nearly everyone who could conceivably be a buyer.. everyone counts on such values as permanent - a new paradigm - then comes the crash. Knowing that is why I'm debt free and haven't got a crazy high mortgage debt to worry about, nor leveraged in to any BTL property.

greenwheels007

DirectDebacle
Not really sure what most of your post was trying to say but I do take your point about the true on costs of building work. I just felt that someone was trying to take advantage of me. Maybe I am the only person who a tradesperson has tried to exploit, there is a first time for everything I suppose.
I understand cost and value fine. The final cost of the job was under £200. The value was a nice job that made my house look good.
The main value was that I understood that tradespeople can often overcharge, but I suppose they do have the finance on the plasma tv and macho 4x4 to pay for!

caveman38

tesuhoha wrote: »

No sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension.

Where I live in the London suburbs, gas engineers charge £1,000 to fit new boilers, plumbers charge £200 - £250 for a days work. I know a lot of both and I don't know of one who earns less that £70 - 80K a year.
If they were sick for 6 weeks and took 4 weeks leave they would still be on £60K.
I have two well educated, university qualified (and good ones) sons who earn £35K. They may get sick pay but I wouldn't like to bet that therir pension is safe.
That said I know whose wage I would like to earn. And putting money aside these guys are loaded and deserve no sympathy.
Plumbers and gas engineers fit in the same category as estate agents and black cab drivers who similarly are now whinging.

LauraW10

dopester wrote: »

It seems the other way around to me. Home-owners and the BTL-ers who had come to count on such crazy high asset prices as permanent seem to be the ones kicking off. The nirvana is full speed ahead for me.

The example given by the guy now looking to sell... he bought out of fear that prices would continue going up way past current crazy affordability measures.

Market bubbles pull in nearly everyone who could conceivably be a buyer.. everyone counts on such values as permanent - a new paradigm - then comes the crash. Knowing that is why I'm debt free and haven't got a crazy high mortgage debt to worry about, nor leveraged in to any BTL property.

What do you do? I would like that sort of job security:D

neverdespairgirl

ess0two wrote: »

You come across as a callous person at times,suppose it must be ingrained via your legal profession.

Callous? I don't think I am, in particular. I do look for explanations and reasons, though.