Income brackets: what is prception of low/middle high

fc123

kayla99 wrote: »

Can i kick your shins as well ???:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm a mental health nurse, in a large city. It's not the pay I do it for......28k ? ? Risking getting assaulted everyday, verbal abuse, I do the job for the satisfaction, I love my work. Just a shame the pay doesn't pay the bills:rolleyes:

OH stepfather was a mental health nurse for 30 years...really challenging.

His mother was an auxilliary nurse for 40 odd years covering geriatrics, hospice work then mental health. A patient tried to strangle her one day...nearly succeeded too..it was so quick.
Her pay packet was shameful for the work she did.

I pay a lot of taxes through business rates , VAT plus on own income. When I struggle with it and get narky, I tell myself it is nurses wages....makes writing the cheque much easier.

Cleaver

kayla99 wrote: »

Can i kick your shins as well ???:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm a mental health nurse, in a large city. It's not the pay I do it for......28k ? ? Risking getting assaulted everyday, verbal abuse, I do the job for the satisfaction, I love my work. Just a shame the pay doesn't pay the bills:rolleyes:

You're more than welcome to kick my shins. My wife would also advise you calling me an 'opinionated w*nker' too (she often does, and would be correct).

Payrates for nurses, fire service, police etc. is a very difficult and emotive issue, and it's quite difficult to get points across on a message board without sounding like a moron. The job that you do is, in many ways, something you can't put a price on and I say that from very recent personal experience. However, it's a job, and you do have to put a price on it!

You could go to Uni at 18 to study nursing, come out at 21 and get a job with a minimum salary of 20k (normally around 24k once the unsocial hours enhancement is added). If you don't fancy going up the career ladder you generally get around 5% payrise each year until you hit the top of your payscale. A staff nurse with a good few years experience can earn up to around 33k and a Nurse Manager earns up to about 40k. Add to this excellent maternity pay, pretty good job security, the best pension available and up to six weeks annual leave a year and it's not sounding too bad.

I agree though that it must be galling seeing jobs such as 'Health Improvement Management Facilitative Consultant Advisor in Mental Health' with a 50k salary attached to it. Seems to be a lot of them in the NHS.

SingleSue

fc123 wrote: »

I didn't know it was the phrase you used...I used it automatically.
I wonder if I picked it up in S London?!

BTW, I don't remember reading how old your kids are...but working F/T, juggling school hols etc plus their disabilities may end up as just too much.
I read in your sig about the degree....sounds like a really good idea, if you can fit it in.

One day they will be big and all that time will come back.....all for you.:D

The big mistake OH family member made was refusing all help from New Deal etc as, with 4 kids, work wasn't 'worth it' (her phrase) but, now, 2 have left home and she isn't really qualified to do anything well paid at all.
Once the other 2 leave, her income will be so low, I don't know how she will cope.
Not working, studying or doing anything at all for 20 years has left her in a bad position financially.

Plus you do your mod work, website, sporting hobby, degree...all adds up to a good CV when the time is right.
Wishing you well..;)

Aww thanks

I have had it said to me (by my single parent advisor actually) that it would probably be too much for me to cope with and that I should concentrate on the children and their needs and wait until they are older and possibly more independent but I am just so desperate to be out of this horrible social status that I find myself in and to get some self respect back.

I could never make the decision to stay at home forever and just claim and it does feel like I am trying to battle upstream in my quest to improve my social standing (and now I sound like a snob!) but I have always had the work ethic instilled in me from a very young age and once I left school (much too early), I threw myself into my job and became a worshipper to the goddess of work

I have thought about that degree but to do that it would mean being on benefits for at least another 3 years and I just could not stand that, the stigma is so great when you are a single parent. I have half decided to continue in my search for employment and apply to do a degree via the open university..something I could fit into my insomniac hours and around working if I am fortunate to secure a position.

Which ever way it goes, I will keep on expanding my CV in the hope that it will pay dividends in the future.

kayla99

Cleaver wrote: »

You're more than welcome to kick my shins. My wife would also advise you calling me an 'opinionated w*nker' too (she often does, and would be correct).

Payrates for nurses, fire service, police etc. is a very difficult and emotive issue, and it's quite difficult to get points across on a message board without sounding like a moron. The job that you do is, in many ways, something you can't put a price on and I say that from very recent personal experience. However, it's a job, and you do have to put a price on it!

You could go to Uni at 18 to study nursing, come out at 21 and get a job with a minimum salary of 20k (normally around 24k once the unsocial hours enhancement is added). If you don't fancy going up the career ladder you generally get around 5% payrise each year until you hit the top of your payscale. A staff nurse with a good few years experience can earn up to around 33k and a Nurse Manager earns up to about 40k. Add to this excellent maternity pay, pretty good job security, the best pension available and up to six weeks annual leave a year and it's not sounding too bad.

I agree though that it must be galling seeing jobs such as 'Health Improvement Management Facilitative Consultant Advisor in Mental Health' with a 50k salary attached to it. Seems to be a lot of them in the NHS.

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That's me !! Can't get any higher, [thanks to the Governments agenda for change], without changing job, and there are no jobs.

So low earner for me for quite some time to come:rolleyes:

EDIT AGAIN....33K THAT WOULD DO ME

Swans1912

Cleaver wrote: »

I agree though that it must be galling seeing jobs such as 'Health Improvement Management Facilitative Consultant Advisor in Mental Health' with a 50k salary attached to it. Seems to be a lot of them in the NHS.

I kind of agree / disagree here.

IF the role adds value to the NHS then surely they should remain, or at-least until they fulfill that role.

I know job security plays a big part HOWEVER my aim in my role is to bring value into the company beyond my employment cost AND ultimately put processes in place to remove the NEED for my role.

The problems start when these random silly job roles do not bring in value to the company AND remain there for years and years without major progress!

Cleaver

iKennett wrote: »

I kind of agree / disagree here.

IF the role adds value to the NHS then surely they should remain, or at-least until they fulfill that role.

I know job security plays a big part HOWEVER my aim in my role is to bring value into the company beyond my employment cost AND ultimately put processes in place to remove the NEED for my role.

The problems start when these random silly job roles do not bring in value to the company AND remains there for years and years without major progress!

All very true and very well put.

LilacPixie

I think we are probably, as a family, low earners. My salary is 26k a year give or take a few pounds. OH is on a basic of 24k plus overtime. That sounds healthy doesn't it.

Then again I have just has a baby and we also have a toddler. My maternity pay is pitiful at £117 a week and will be until april 09. Essentially we are living on one wage and things don't look half as healthy as before.

Cleaver

kayla99 wrote: »

PAYSCALES

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EDIT: UNABLE TO DISPLAY PAYSCALE, BUT IT CAN BE FOUND AT http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/nursing_pay_rates_200809 IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED

That's me !! Can't get any higher, [thanks to the Governments agenda for change], without changing job, and there are no jobs.

So low earner for me for quite some time to come:rolleyes:

EDIT AGAIN....33K THAT WOULD DO ME

Well the average pay for an NHS nurse is 2008 is £31,600 apparently, so that isn't too far from that 33k.

I'm backing down from this conversation, I know I sound like a complete !!!!. I think the jobs nurses and nursing auxillaries do is incredible and, as I said before, gives people and their families something that you can't put a price on. Maybe I would be better saying that in some areas of nursing I think the pay is pretty fair. In in ideal world of course it would be higher, but I'm just trying to be objective and look at the role in line with other professions.

Looking at your specific siutation Kayla, if you're a good nurse and you're stuck at the top of you band and feel as though you have nowhere to go it sounds as though your organisation does not develop people well and doesn't have a decent career progression system for staff. Agenda for Change helps in some ways with this, but very much hinders in others.

kayla99

CLEAVER.....
I think your brilliant, love a good debate......
All the best for xmas & the new year:beer:

Cleaver

kayla99 wrote: »

CLEAVER.....
I think your brilliant, love a good debate......
All the best for xmas & the new year:beer:

I have no idea of that is sarcasm or not, but thanks very much. You too.

(Hang on, this is the House Price board... it must be sarcasm... hang about, it isn't the House Price board anymore... maybe it isn't sarcasm...)