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Does landlord pay tax on rent?

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  • sooz
    sooz Posts: 4,560 Forumite
    Hmmm...so my suspicions were right :D
    I suggest you talk to your local council asap. The Private Housing Officer (or Tenancy Relations Officer) can help you with all these problems.

    As for the rent book, since you are paying monthly, there is no requirement to have one.

    He may have been advised to tell you that the gas fire is decorative, but if so he should have had it capped off. As neverdespairgirl asked...do you have anything else that uses gas in the property?




    carolt...why wait to shop your LL when you leave. Do it now!
  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    sooz wrote: »
    Hmmm...so my suspicions were right :D
    I suggest you talk to your local council asap. The Private Housing Officer (or Tenancy Relations Officer) can help you with all these problems.

    As for the rent book, since you are paying monthly, there is no requirement to have one.

    He may have been advised to tell you that the gas fire is decorative, but if so he should have had it capped off. As neverdespairgirl asked...do you have anything else that uses gas in the property?




    carolt...why wait to shop your LL when you leave. Do it now!

    No, I prefer to still have a home! I shall wait until we've left - we had a gas safety check last year, and shall ensure we have one this year - AFTER we've agreed rental for next year.

    But no, as I was unaware one needed doing until the wise people on this site told me, (our previous rental had leccy only, so it was never an issue), we had none for the first 3 years of our tenancy. With 3 young kids in the house! We did have a carbon monoxide monitor, obviously - which WE bought. But nothing from our landlady. She only got it done last year after we had problems where I started smelling gas - she frst sent round a non-CORGI registered 'friend' to look at it. It was only when I complained that she sent round a proper registed bloke to fix it and - at long last - do a gas safety check.

    I hope she goes to jail - when we leave. ;)
  • sooz
    sooz Posts: 4,560 Forumite
    Sorry Carol, i misunderstood, I thought you didn't have a valid one now.
    Sorry to disappoint, but I think jail is unlikely, unless one of you had died :o
    Otherwise it's generally a fine. Also, the longer you leave it, the less proof & less relevance it will be that you did not have one in the past, particularly as the LL only has a duty to keep two years of corgi records.
  • Premier_2
    Premier_2 Posts: 15,141 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    carolt wrote: »
    ...I believe failure to do gas safety check is an imprisonable offence - I can't wait to shop my landlord when I leave. ;)
    I think you believe wrong.

    Failure to provide one for a rented property is illegal under The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) regulations 1998, however prosecutions are made under the The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974

    Imprisonment is only an option under that act when the LL fails "to comply with an improvement or prohibition notice, or a court remedy order"

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/hse41.pdf page 11
    "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 2010
  • Premier_2
    Premier_2 Posts: 15,141 Forumite
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    macawslave wrote: »
    Thanks everyone - He said he couldn't afford to have the gas-fire checked - would cost about £500??? so he was "advised to tell me it doesn't work" so if I chose to use it it would be on at my own peril...
    If there is a live gas supply to the rented property, then a gas safety certificate is required.

    http://www.rla.org.uk/landlord/documents/gas_safety/gas_safety.shtml

    These don't cost anywhere near £500 just for the inspection & certificate - about £40 -£60 is the typical fee.
    "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 2010
  • harryhound
    harryhound Posts: 2,662 Forumite
    It would help if the Original Poster gave us some idea of the rent being paid. It is relevant and might be a bargain.
    It is fairly common to find a "lodger" arrangement, where the landlord/house owner has a room in the property, but spends most of their time at their boy/girl friend's place. The mortgage and insurance policy might allow a "lodger" arrangement.
    Come tax return time they just tick the lodger box. With the credit crunch gripping, I can see a debate within the government about the pro's and cons of "lodgers" versus the expense of taking the redundant homeless into council care.

    My bet on the gas fire is that "a friend" who (say) works for a local plumbers merchant has had a look at the fire and said "that old sort of fire, with its broken radiants is not legal any more and anyway you can't get spares!" (sucks teeth)
    "By the time you have ripped out that, corrected the chimney arrangements, made the hearth legal and paid for a modern high efficiency low carbon replacement (if available) complete with the gas certificate, you won't have any change from 500 quid."

    "On the other side of the coin the fire has been there for 25 years (?) and has not killed anyone yet!"

    "Tell them it is only decorative".

    (It is a bit like throwing the sofa in the skip and looking the other way when the tenant fishes it out again - potentially a complete disaster if the tenant is a smoker and drinker or disabled and immobile).

    That said I am at a lost to understand why someone would have a dodgy old oil boiler, with smelly old storage tank, when an efficient gas alternative is possible.

    Sounds like the "landlord" has no capital and may well be in debt.
  • Swans1912
    Swans1912 Posts: 1,658 Forumite
    OP - I hate to sound negative -

    I would start looking else where for a rented property.

    It sounds like you LL is struggling with debt and can not even get the basics correct!
  • harryhound
    harryhound Posts: 2,662 Forumite
    Yes but the rent being paid might be really good value?
    The tenant is not every landlord's first choice, and moving involves all those fees etc. and agencies who are "professional" at protecting their client from nasty troublesome tenants.
    At least the tenant and landlord appear to be communicating.
  • Swans1912
    Swans1912 Posts: 1,658 Forumite
    harryhound wrote: »
    Yes but the rent being paid might be really good value?
    The tenant is not every landlord's first choice, and moving involves all those fees etc. and agencies who are "professional" at protecting their client from nasty troublesome tenants.
    At least the tenant and landlord appear to be communicating.

    Fair point - Guess we need the rent and average rent amount before we can comment fully.
  • sooz
    sooz Posts: 4,560 Forumite
    iKennett wrote: »
    Fair point - Guess we need the rent and average rent amount before we can comment fully.

    The level of rent has nothing whatsoever to do with it. The LL is totally naive & failing to fulfill his legal obligations, both to his tenant & HMRC.

    As for the 'decorative' fireplace, it must be either gas safety checked, or have the gas disconnected....there is no middle ground.
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