Private Parking Tickets discussion

AlfretonRed

bargepole wrote: »

You've clearly become confused between public parking areas (eg supermarkets) where there is an invitation to park, and private property, where there isn't.

Parking uninvited on someone's drive would be trespass, and appropriate legal remedies are available for that.

PPC "tickets" for parking in the wrong place, or overstaying, in private car parks have no legal basis, and Martin quite rightly points out that there is no need to pay the fly-by-night companies who issue these non-fines.

Nice put down.

As you're such an expert.
Give us the appropriate legal remedies then!

bargepole

AlfretonRed wrote: »

So Im paying for a car park that others feel its ok to use for nothing!

Any ideas what I should do bargepole? Martin?

Do a google search for "lockable parking posts", these are available from under £50.

rob2360

bargepole wrote: »

You've clearly become confused between public parking areas (eg supermarkets) where there is an invitation to park, and private property, where there isn't.

Parking uninvited on someone's drive would be trespass, and appropriate legal remedies are available for that.

PPC "tickets" for parking in the wrong place, or overstaying, in private car parks have no legal basis, and Martin quite rightly points out that there is no need to pay the fly-by-night companies who issue these non-fines.

Martin's first sentence starts "Park at supermarkets, retail parks, hospitals or housing estates"

How are parking spaces on a private housing estate an "invitation to park" as you put it? Why is Martin encouraging people to abuse a communal resource for the benefit of residents? Why is my private carpark to whom my staff are allowed to park an "invitation to park" to others?

AlfretonRed

bargepole wrote: »

Do a google search for "lockable parking posts", these are available from under £50.

Thanks for that, but how can they help?
My customers are comeing and going all day.
Thes posts are fine for say an office worker, allocated space, parked all day but not appropriate for me at all.

foggytown

I recently came across this sign. Does it actually establish a contract which can be enforced?

bargepole

foggytown wrote: »

I recently came across this sign. Does it actually establish a contract which can be enforced?

Apart from all the usual stuff about a contract needing to contain offer, acceptance, and valuable consideration, the words "penalty charge" sink it straight away.

It also says they will "contact the DVLA to obtain your details", but that only gives them the registered keeper's name, not necessarily the driver. Any any contract can only be formed by the driver.

So in summary, this notice isn't worth the cheap metal it's printed on.

bramblebushbay

Approximately 12 months ago I was employed as a stock-taker on an assingment at B&Q at Crewe, which took approximately 12 hours overnight. Approximately a week later all stock-takers received a PCN from a company called Parkingeye in Slough, stating we had over-stayed our allocated time. The first problem was that although I was driving the car, it is registered in my wife's name and Parkingeye refused to talk to me quoting the Data protection Act. The other thing I found was that the British Parking Association's web site states "The BPA cannot and do not deal with individual complaints from the public". After involving my MP, the ticket was cancelled, but in a letter from Parkingeye to my MP, I was "wasting their time"

rob2360

bargepole wrote: »

Apart from all the usual stuff about a contract needing to contain offer, acceptance, and valuable consideration, the words "penalty charge" sink it straight away.

It also says they will "contact the DVLA to obtain your details", but that only gives them the registered keeper's name, not necessarily the driver. Any any contract can only be formed by the driver.

So in summary, this notice isn't worth the cheap metal it's printed on.

Nice one - and well pointed out. This thread is *excellent* news for clampers - because, let's face it, when your car is clamped it's not really a matter of writing to the DVLA to get ower/driver records and argue about it. No cash, no car. Of course, clamping is more expensive so you can look forward to shelling out more but hey ho that's the inevitable response...

bracken1011

I received a 'penalty' notice from a private firm and I decided to ignore it on the basis the fine was £60 and with court fees being £30, there wasn't much chance they'd pursue it. I received a reminder invoice, two letters threatening court action, and then one stating that someone would be visiting my home within 72 hours. This last one made me wobble and I almost caved in! But I didn't and I haven't heard from them since.

bargepole

r!!!360 wrote: »

... Of course, clamping is more expensive so you can look forward to shelling out more but hey ho that's the inevitable response...

Quite, which is why I keep a sturdy pair of boltcutters in my boot, in case I need to cut through the padlock of a wheel clamp.

Haven't needed them yet, but best to be prepared. I won't be paying a bean to any scumbag clamping companies this side of Armageddon.