The Dead Pixel Check On Lcd

intel

Toxteth_OGrady wrote:

......and the rest of the mainsream consumer marketplace that is content to buy cheap TFTs that meet the ISO standard



Then pay the premium. Nothing new in that. The market thrives on people who are willing to fork out extra for quality/high end products. It's the Lada vs Rolls royce argument.

Equally you could pay £185 for a 2 metre mains cable made out of screened, oxygen free, gold plated cable. Or you could pay 99p in Woolies. Who's the mug there?

Notwithstanding any cost vs value consideration it is fair to say that the former will have undergone a much more rigorous (aka costly) manufacturing and quality assurance process.



The august body of the International Standards Organisation would take issue with you on that one. I would however be interested in your thoughts on why a missing pixel is a functional deficiency? What effect does it have on your use of the monitor?

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TOG

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Over 10mins to write that Im amazed... You have just landed a major blow for the consumer there Tox.... I mean I want goods that work and are not defective dont you, and dont forget that Monitors would come down in price like anything if we all said we wanted goods thet worked properly.

Just like the DVD player that was £200 now £20 in Lidl but itstill does the job
very well, and is all singing and dancing...

And what functionality problems.. what about the annoying missing pixels for a start.. I mean spout about ISO all you like buy we all know its another bit of legislation to FOB OFF the customer.

Edit: Your Turn :rolleyes:

Toxteth_OGrady

intel wrote:

ppl should stand up for perfect products

No such thing as a perfect product. The benchmark is what is acceptable to the consumer in terms of quality vs price. Simple economics of supply and demand. If the quality is deemed acceptable in the eye of the purchaser at the right price the product will secure a market share. This is not imposed by the supplier except in a monopoly.

intel wrote:

]Monitors would come down in price like anything if we all said we wanted goods thet worked properly.

And how do we say that. Again with our wallets. If they weren't good enough we wouldn't buy.

intel wrote:

Just like the DVD player that was £200 now £20 in Lidl but itstill does the job very well

So does a monitor with a dead pixel. Tell me what it cannot do.

intel wrote:

what about the annoying missing pixels for a start

There are deficiencies and features in the software that I buy for my PC that annoy the hell out of me. In your quest for perfection does that mean you never buy software, because I'm not aware of a single application that's 'perfect'

intel wrote:

I mean spout about ISO all you like buy we all know its another bit of legislation

No it's not legislation. It's a voluntary standard defined and agreed worldwide based on input from the consumer and suppliers. In fact ISOs are like British Standards; they tend to be considered, if met, a quality hallmark rather than the other way round. As a software developer have you ever fought through trying to get ISO-9000 certification. Why? Because it's good marketing to tell customers our products meet that standard.

We could argue this until the cows come home but the bottom line is that if you find missing pixels annoying then pay the premium. Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya choice.

intel wrote:

Over 10mins to write that Im amazed

It's not a race!

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TOG

intel

Toxteth_OGrady wrote:

We could argue this until the cows come home but the bottom line is that if you find missing pixels annoying then pay the premium. Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya choice.

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TOG

I was just about to say its down to choice, some people like to get
second rate goods as where I dont.. If it doesnt do what it says on the tin
then I dont want to know.

And in my search of perfection at least with software it can be sorted via
a patch or update unlike a mechanical fault like a dead pixel..

And a monitor with a dead pixel cant give me a perfect picture....

I think the Cow is now securely in the field. :cool:

Toxteth_OGrady

intel wrote:

And in my search of perfection at least with software it can be sorted via a patch or update

Unless it's a Microsoft product :eek:

btw - I love being the Devil's Advocate. I actually have a TFT with 2 dead pixels and the thought of it annoys the hell out of me, except when I'm using it and then I don't even notice.

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TOG

intel

Toxteth_OGrady wrote:

Unless it's a Microsoft product :eek:

Amen to that.....

CrazyChemist_2

I agree, we should expect and receive perfect products. I get annoyed when people tell me (a) I shouldn't ever complain (because I do always complain if things are faulty, which is a lot!) and (b) nothing's perfect. That's rubbish - I expect things to be perfect and if they aren't

On a personal note, my Inspiron 6000 has a dead pixel in the centre of the screen but thanks to the same link that intel provided back in November, I was able to locate it and complain to Dell. I never received a reply to my email... :mad: still waiting!

Toxteth_OGrady

You should buy your stuff in this shop, then! :rotfl: I fully agree with your sentiments and I'm at the forefront of complaining vociferously but I'm also realistic enough to know when I'm urinating into the proverbial maelstrom.



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TOG

Toxteth_OGrady

CrazyChemist wrote:

On a personal note, my Inspiron 6000 has a dead pixel in the centre of the screen but thanks to the same link that intel provided back in November, I was able to locate it and complain to Dell. I never received a reply to my email... :mad: still waiting!

Quod Erat Demonstrandum. See here.

Dell Quality Standards

During the manufacturing process, it is not uncommon for one or more pixels to be fixed in an unchanging state. The visible result is a fixed pixel that appears as an extremely tiny dark or bright discolored spot.

In almost every case, these fixed pixels are hard to notice and do not detract from the display quality or usability. A display with 1 to 5 fixed pixels is within the industry standards, and is therefore considered an acceptable display. LCD screens that do not meet this industry standard are rarely passed on from the point of manufacturing.

If you notice more than six (6) fixed pixels on your display, or if there are several fixed pixels in a small area of the screen, refer to the E-mail Dell section under Additional Information to contact Dell Technical Support.

For help with specifics on your Dell system, or additional troubleshooting support, refer to http://www.support.dell.com.

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TOG

irnbru_2

happyhero wrote:

Can anybody tell me what actually happens if you pay for a dead pixel check, i.e. how do they test it properly, what do they do, but more importantly does it garantee you no dead pixels or no more than a certain percentage or what?

All they do is run a test program and scan for pixels which do not change colour.

It should guarantee no dead pixels on receipt of equipment.

happyhero wrote:

I suppose once you buy this monitor, if you are unlucky, even though you pay for this service, you may find one or two dead pixels appear after a month or so, which is just tough, or would this be unusual?

Any info appreciated.

It's tough luck.

I own two LCD displays: a 4 year old and a 1 year old neither has, to date, any stuck pixels.

intel

TOG's face as he realises his new monitor has just failed a Pixel Test..

Oh WoW man bummer really really heavy.