What is the point of working hard anymore

marksoton

It's not the levels of tax i object to so much it's the way the money is washed down the drain on the wrong things.

From the moment you get up till the moment you go to sleep the exchequer has a slice of income from virtually everything you do. There is plenty of tax revenue the problem is it is wasted.

If they concentrated on cutting the waste we would all have more money in our pockets.

medical

[i am sick and tired of funding those that choose not to work or use it as an alternative because the benefit funding for their situation is on par with a 9-5.
We do have inner city areas where there are 3rd generation and more, unemployed people who have no interest in contributing to society but feel it's their right to milk it.
JSA etc are support to help people move up the ladder not support them.

I'm a firm believer in GIVING people work to do in exchange for their benefits.
If they don't have a job they must have plenty of time free to do some grafting. Take away the idle hands and I'll bet a fair bit of criminal activity too.
Get them cleaning up the streets after the Saturday night excesses, picking litter from the roadside, doing manual labour.
If they don't like it, they'll go and get a better job!! Give them a day per week to find that job and help them do it.
If they don't turn up, don't give them any money. Simple].[/quote]

i agree with you on this. more community work like picking litter and washing our public toilets, helping to clean our hospitals thoroughly, laundring the hospital gab thoroughly before the dole check is handed out

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leviathan wrote: »

I'm a firm believer in GIVING people work to do in exchange for their benefits.
If they don't have a job they must have plenty of time free to do some grafting. Take away the idle hands and I'll bet a fair bit of criminal activity too.
Get them cleaning up the streets after the Saturday night excesses, picking litter from the roadside, doing manual labour.
If they don't like it, they'll go and get a better job!! Give them a day per week to find that job and help them do it.
If they don't turn up, don't give them any money. Simple.

I'd agree with that, 100%.

The problem is that there's no line drawn between people who are unemployed out of choice, and those just having a tough time.

For example, I'd make a system like this:

• For people who have been out of work for months/years on end, they get the "forced labour or no money" that you detail above, with enforced working at McDonalds after a certain period, or else a benefit cut. And if they refuse to work at a job they're given, they get access to the NHS cut, no bins collected from their house, no library access, and if they call 999 because they're getting beaten up, they get lower priority for the police callout.
• For people who have been employed recently for many years, but got made redundant / company went bust / etc, they get their benefits, but a few months of "no forced labour" to find their feet and find a job that they can do again,

nuttyp

Both me and my husband are stuck within low paid work, i have 3 part-time jobs, and its hell keeping up with everything. My husband works 6 days a week, we still receive tax credits. Unfortunatly i had to leave my job earlier in the year due to my eldest child going into hospital.

I am so grateful to the NHS for providing the resorces and dosctors who have enabled my daughter to live a near normal life, she had curvature of the spine. If we were living in america this is a very very expensive operation.

So for all the moaning i and my husband do, especially when i see how much tax has been paid out, i can appreciate where some of it goes. But i would like to see the unemployed made to do something for there money, especially when you see them in the town centre with the cans of cheap lager laughing at people as they go to work.

CLAPTON

Frags wrote: »

I totally hear you bootman, could of wept into my payslip this morning Money earned £1531.43 take home after tax £1097.19 thanks for nothing Mr Tax man!!!

All the hard work i put in to be independent and stand on my own two feet with a mortgage at the ripe young age of 24 and thats the thanks i get a big wet £434 slap in the chops!

Don't we all feel like millionaires now?! £2.50 saved for every £100 we spend. I'm off to buy a Ferrari. Thanks Mr Darling, u fabulous man!!!!

if you are on standard tax code i.e. on 603L then you should only be paying 205 tax and 118 NI i.e. a total of 324 ish

RayWolfe

Oh, I suspect his pension contributions and his season ticket loan have been deducted ... but the raw figures make a much more sensational read, don't they.
Give me strength!

jay11_2

Frags wrote: »

I totally hear you bootman, could of wept into my payslip this morning Money earned £1531.43 take home after tax £1097.19 thanks for nothing Mr Tax man!!!

All the hard work i put in to be independent and stand on my own two feet with a mortgage at the ripe young age of 24 and thats the thanks i get a big wet £434 slap in the chops!

Don't we all feel like millionaires now?! £2.50 saved for every £100 we spend. I'm off to buy a Ferrari. Thanks Mr Darling, u fabulous man!!!!

Agree with Clapton, unless you're paying back previous years underpayments, a substantial pension contribution, or something else (which is presumably to your benefit) then you need to check your tax code. You should have a take-home of nearer £1200 each month.

swiss69

Believe it or not you actually get taxed on being made redundant too if your pay off is more than £30k - This has been the limit for about 20 years! What happended to inflation rises there Mr Chancellor?

They always go on about how the "More fortunate" should subsidise the "less fortunate" but often they dont take into account that to be"more fortunate" the employed person paying higher taxes has to work 12 hour days and is completely stressed out! Whats fair about that?

Someone in the private sector earning say £45k with no pension available will pay higher rate tax yet someone in the public sector earning £39,000 but having a pension contribution made by the governement equivalent to around £10,000 per annum will pay lower tax...

Tax system in this country is a joke in my opinion

Andy_L

swiss69 wrote: »

Someone in the private sector earning say £45k with no pension available will pay higher rate tax yet someone in the public sector earning £39,000 but having a pension contribution made by the governement equivalent to around £10,000 per annum will pay lower tax...

and if the private sector worker pays into a pension they will also pay lower tax. That's the nature of pension contributions, be they personal or employer