Times poll sees Gordon Brown ahead of the Cameron

drc

OMG. I just read this article in The Times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5127162.ece which says, (according to their poll) that "shows him comfortably beating David Cameron as the leader seen as best able to handle the recession" (quoted from The Times website). Can this be true? Are people stupid enough to believe that the man who has caused so many of the current problems is going to solve them. Are peoples memories so short. Gawd help us if New Lie-bour are re-elected, especially with Brown at the helm.:eek:

robin_banks

I dont think Brown has been or will ever be a good PM, ditto Cameron.

In all honesty there is very little nay Government can do about a worldwide recession.

adr0ck

it would have been nice to have a big surplus going into recession though

huntersc

drc wrote: »

OMG. I just read this article in The Times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5127162.ece which says, (according to their poll) that "shows him comfortably beating David Cameron as the leader seen as best able to handle the recession" (quoted from The Times website). Can this be true? Are people stupid enough to believe that the man who has caused so many of the current problems is going to solve them. Are peoples memories so short. Gawd help us if New Lie-bour are re-elected, especially with Brown at the helm.:eek:

Not that I'm a Brown supporter or anything but when you say "the man who has caused so many of the current problems" wht do you mean exactly?

Are you suggesting we're in a financial crisis because of Brown? If so could you name another developed country that is not in financial turmoil? It seems to me that to blame Brown for what has taken place here would mean that this crisis is not a world event, that Britain is alone in suffering.

Brown has his faults but to blame him for the credit crunch and economic crisis is a bit strange.

As for who's better equipped, well let me tell you something. It's not about Brown vs Cameron. It's about George Osbourne and his qualifications. Would you be surprised if I told you that I have exactly the same qualifications to run the economy as Osbourne, the potential Tory chancellor? When I say exactly, I mean that, he is no more qualified than me we hold all the same degrees etc.

I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't be comfortable being chancellor right now.

If Kenneth Clarke was the shadow chancellor I think that poll would look a little different.

Turnbull2000

huntersc wrote: »

I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't be comfortable being chancellor right now.

If Kenneth Clarke was the shadow chancellor I think that poll would look a little different.

Yeah, I despise Labour and Brown for all the damage they have done, but the Tories are so God damn weak it's depressing.

adr0ck

huntersc wrote: »

If so could you name another developed country that is not in financial turmoil?

oz (they are having difficulties as every country in the world is........but looks like they will buy themselves out of it)

neverdespairgirl

huntersc wrote: »

Are you suggesting we're in a financial crisis because of Brown? If so could you name another developed country that is not in financial turmoil? It seems to me that to blame Brown for what has taken place here would mean that this crisis is not a world event, that Britain is alone in suffering.

He's not to blame for all of it.

But Britain is in more trouble than most. High personal debt, high govt. debt, exceptionally inflated housing bubble, etc.

huntersc

adr0ck wrote: »

oz (they are having difficulties as every country in the world is........but looks like they will buy themselves out of it)

I said developed.

Australia cut it's budgetary forecast by 75%. 2% interest rate over two months, house prices lowest for 25 years indeed the S&P ASX has dropped by over 30%.

So I don't think we should underestimate the problems Australia is having. My point still stands, we cannot blame Brown when every country is having financial issues.

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neverdespairgirl wrote: »

He's not to blame for all of it.

But Britain is in more trouble than most. High personal debt, high govt. debt, exceptionally inflated housing bubble, etc.

This is correct, yet it seems that the people out there cannot comprehend that he is at fault.

He must not be able to believe is eye when he reads this. The word 'sheeple' is slightly derogatory, yet in this case is justified. His record suggests he is a very poor PM and was an even worse chancellor, with at best, extremely poor judgement.

Mr_Matey

huntersc wrote: »

I said developed.

Australia cut it's budgetary forecast by 75%. 2% interest rate over two months, house prices lowest for 25 years indeed the S&P ASX has dropped by over 30%.

So I don't think we should underestimate the problems Australia is having. My point still stands, we cannot blame Brown when every country is having financial issues.

Surely you mean house prices HIGHEST for 25 years. In fact, if you look at affordability graphs, Australia's housing boom was worse than Britain's (I think something like 4 out of the top 10 least affordable cities in the world are in Aus). Bring on the Aus HPC!

The point is however that the Aus banking system is doing ok so far, but it would be naive to think that our share market etc would not be affected by global issues.

In regard to Brown v Cameron, I don't particularly like either of them, but must say Cameron has been very quiet of late. Not good for someone wanting to become PM.

You can however blame him for selling off most of your gold at a very inopportune time. Perhaps that was why you guys were so happy at finally winning a few golds at the olympics? :rotfl:

Dan:_4

I am not a fan of Brown whatsoever, however, I would rather have him as our leader then that other knob Cameron.

Brown has his faults, but he cannot be blammed for the mess the whole WORLD is in.

The cause of all this is the US Sub-Prime Market.