working for a childminder and help with childcare fees

kurjam

My childminder is looking for an assistant and i have been asked if i would be interested in doing this job as i have done this wiork before (may time next year when they have there numbers increased) , my daughter goes to this childminder before and after school. my son goes full time, but in january he will be going before and after school, i will however have a baby there full time come may next year....

would tax credits still help with childcare fees if i worked there ?? i would be looking after children not only my own but lots of other chldren, there will be some kitchen work involved.
i know if parents, grandparents etc look after children they can not get help !!!!

thank you for any help

cw18

Phone and ask. My DD works at a private nursery and gets the childcare element of Tax Credits for the hours her girls are there (neither of them are there full time anymore, other than school holidays). The nursery operates a stricy policy of none of the staff working in a room their own children are in - so sounds like a similar system

cw18

kurjam wrote: »

i know if parents, grandparents etc look after children they can not get help !!!!

it is actually possible.....

I'm looking into becoming a registered child-minder, and both DD and I would like my grand-children to come to me (something that's not possible without the TC contribution). As long as I have at least one other child (who isn't a relative) on my books who is paying -- and I've been told it doesn't need to even been for the same sessions or as many hours in a week -- then she is still entitled to the 80% from them.

kurjam

thanks for your quick replies, i will give them a ring tomorrow,

kurjam

found this on hmrc web page....




You can't usually claim tax credits for childcare provided by relatives even if they're registered or approved. A relative could be your child's:

• parent
• grandparent
• aunt or uncle
• brother or sister
• step-parent

The exception to this rule is when your child is cared for by a relative who is either:

• a registered or approved childminder caring for your child outside of the child's own home
• a childcare provider, approved under a Home Child Care Providers Scheme in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, caring for your child outside of the child's own home and they also care for at least one other child who is not related to them

cw18

My renewal pack says


You cannot get help towards your child care costs if :

• your child care is provided by a relative of your child, in the child's home, even if the relative is registered or approved, or

• your child care is provided by a relative of your child approved under

(list of schemes)

wholly or mainly in the relative's home, and they care solely for a child or for children they are related to

I phoned them about 3 weeks ago to get confirmation that it would still be paid if I had a third child on my books, and was told (after the chap went and checked manuals and asked a more senior advisor) that this was correct. Initially he'd said it wouldn't be payable under any circumstances, but went and double-checked when I quoted chapter and verse at him



ETA: As the list of relatives includes 'parent', then I read it that you would still qualify if you're looking after your children in someone else's home as long as there are other paying children there as well

luv-my-job

So a grandparent, aunt etc could look after their grandchild,neice etc so long as it was in their home and not the childs? Is that right? (providing they're a reg childcare provider) and they also look after another unrelated child?

kurjam

also found this..

You will not be eligible for help from the Working Tax Credit
childcare element if the childcare is provided by:
• a relative of a child caring for that child in the child’s home,
even if the relative is registered or approved or
• a relative approved under the
– Childcare Approval Scheme in England or
– Approval of Childcare Provider in Wales or
– Registration of the Childcare Providers Scheme in
Northern Ireland
caring for a child or children, away from the child’s or children’s
home and the care is solely for a child, or children, to whom the

provider is related.
which is what cw18 said the websites are so confusing,

kurjam

luv-my-job wrote: »

So a grandparent, aunt etc could look after their grandchild,neice etc so long as it was in their home and not the childs? Is that right? (providing they're a reg childcare provider) and they also look after another unrelated child?

its so confusing

cw18

luv-my-job wrote: »

So a grandparent, aunt etc could look after their grandchild,neice etc so long as it was in their home and not the childs? Is that right? (providing they're a reg childcare provider) and they also look after another unrelated child?

Yes -- 'cos if the relative has at least one other child it is then seen that they are doing this as a job (and means of income) rather than as a favour for the parent.

luv-my-job

Ok, thanks. My sis looks after my 2 during school holidays etc .Money doesn't come into it, as it's family, so I like to repay her kindness in other ways, gifts, babysitting etc. If she was registered and had another child in her care , does that mean she could actually get paid through tax credits childcare thingy? I'm not even sure she'd want to commit to it as a "proper" job but just thought I'd ask?

Thanks