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kennyboy66 wrote: »Then there are 'cashed-up bogans', generally from Perth and working away in the mining areas
I love Oz, but outside of Sydney, there is casual sexism, general blokeish culture and obsessoin with beer, sport and gambling.
The naked racism towards Aboriginies, SE Asians and Greeks/Italians (Aussies usually lump them together) is frankly astonishing.
Wow, sounds more or less just like England with the names changed.--
Every pound less borrowed (to buy a house) is more than two pounds less to repay and more than three pounds less to earn, over the course of a typical mortgage.0 -
These rents and many like them are still too high. The rental market needs to readjust in the same way as house sellers will have to.
I am not convinced. Rents have not risen that much, maybe 30% to 40% over the last 15 years? At a guess, I would say that rents have lagged significantly behind wages, so rents are cheaper in real terms now than they were 15 years ago. Of course, there will be local areas of supply/demand imbalance.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
the last generation which truly agonized over 'class' was, IMO, my father's (born 1930).There is a class element to Australia and indeed to most countries but it isn't this all-consuming relic that we have in England.
I was assured that the UK is more at ease with itself, as the distinction between the classes blurred from the 60's onwards.
I was more than happy to be taken in by this; that was, until I saw the infamous 'bullingdon club' photo a couple of yrs ago: young, aristocratic men (or wannabees) all looking rather pleased with themselves - and 2 of them now in the sh.cabinet.
preferment. entitlement. effortless superiority. it's all there.
the distinction between the 'lower orders' may now be difficult to spot but the old arrogance and social superiority is alive and well and living in places like the bullingdon club, White's and the upper echelons of the military. It's almost as if the last half of the 20thC passed them by.
I don't blame anyone for wanting to leave the country, citing 'class' as a reason - but is there any modern society not afflicted by th 'c' word?miladdo0 -
just as a quick aside: ndgirl is a barrister. I'm a manual worker. if I was to meet up with her for a chat, the traditional benchmark of 'class by job description' wouldn't arise because it's no longer seen as an issue to most people.
but 50yrs ago the only contact I would be likely to have, as a skilled worker, with a barrister would be by carrying out work on her flat or delivering post to her office.
things have changed for the better, IMO.
but the bullingdon club? now that's surely a different story.miladdo0 -
jamescredmond wrote: »just as a quick aside: ndgirl is a barrister. I'm a manual worker. if I was to meet up with her for a chat, the traditional benchmark of 'class by job description' wouldn't arise because it's no longer seen as an issue to most people.
but 50yrs ago the only contact I would be likely to have, as a skilled worker, with a barrister would be by carrying out work on her flat or delivering post to her office.
I agree. But 50 years ago, another form of discrimination would have kicked in, and most probably I'd have been a housewife, not a barrister....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »I agree. But 50 years ago, another form of discrimination would have kicked in, and most probably I'd have been a housewife, not a barrister.
Or some sort of solicitor;)0 -
DirectDebacle wrote: »Or some sort of solicitor;)
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NDG, DH's mother was called to the bar 43 years ago...you would have only had to take a few years of, er, soliciting...:D lots of strong female barristers broke the mold around then
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lostinrates wrote: »NDG, DH's mother was called to the bar 43 years ago...you would have only had to take a few years of, er, soliciting...:D lots of strong female barristers broke the mold around then
I know it happened, but it was rare and difficult.
My Dad's chambers had its first woman pupil in the early 1980s, and the clerks gave her a really tough time of it....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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