Energy Performance Certificates

poppysarah

I think as gas and electricity prices get more expensive then an energy certificate which tells you how much effort the landlord has gone to to reduce energy consumption and energy wastage will be more welcome.

I think the only people who'll object will be landlords who'll see the forced insulation of their properties as ripping into their profits.

It is socially responsible to ensure that all houses are as fully insulated as they can be. Many people a year die because of cold weather
http://194.202.110.211/resource/press_releases/19990318000124.html

So I'd suggest that rather than thinking it's a waste of time consider it a good start onto a serious problem.

And when it's a law it's the same as the ones you consider serious like the gas safety. Just because you put no importance on it doesn't mean it isn't.

us,thecat&thedebt

thank you for your post tbs624

and to poppy sarah at what point did i say i didnt want a gsr

with all due respect go back and re read my post!

i have chosen to ive in the property i know how much the bills will cost as we have sat down with his current bills

my main question was to do with did it need one as it was not being marketed and my point about not wanting to cost him un needed cost was down to the fact tht we will be renting it at around 300 pcm beow rental

we wi have a legal contract our deposit will be registered with the dps and we will have a gsr in place

knowing how efficent yr boiler is , is not in the same scale as finding out if its safe!

sorry for the rant but youve just made a heavily pregnant woman mad and my hormones are a lil up

to the others who answered my question

thank you

us,thecat&thedebt

to add my L key doesnt always work so apoligies

and by way round it i ment

a/ it hasnt been marketed

or

b/ start a tenancy prior to 1st october

i didnt mean disregard the law

in the same way im sure many people put there properties on the market just before hips becxame legal

poppysarah

us,thecat&thedebt wrote: »

and to poppy sarah at what point did i say i didnt want a gsr

You can't pick and chose which bit of the law you are going to obey. Well you can, but it generally makes you a criminal.

tbs624

poppysarah wrote: »

I think as gas and electricity prices get more expensive then an energy certificate which tells you how much effort the landlord has gone to to reduce energy consumption and energy wastage will be more welcome. I think the only people who'll object will be landlords who'll see the forced insulation of their properties as ripping into their profits.

You are, of course, welcome to your own viewpoint but you are making a huge and, IMO, inaccurate assumption there.

Many LLs (and OOs), who already have all the necessary insulation, efficient heating systems, double glazing etc, object to this worthless bit of paper precisely because they have already done what is required of them.

poppysarah wrote: »

It is socially responsible to ensure that all houses are as fully insulated as they can be. Many people a year die because of cold weather
http://194.202.110.211/resource/pres...318000124.html

So I'd suggest that rather than thinking it's a waste of time consider it a good start onto a serious problem.

I’d suggest that you don’t confuse the mass production of EPCs with real action that would make a difference to the reduction of building emissions and/or the level of insulation.

I'd also suggest that you stop imagining that all people who object to EPCs are socially irresponsible non-purchasers of energy efficiency measures.

IMO your argument is muddled: everyone being obliged to get a piece of paper with coloured bars on is highly unlikely to stop anyone dying “because of cold weather”.

poppysarah wrote: »

And when it's a law it's the same as the ones you consider serious like the gas safety. Just because you put no importance on it doesn't mean it isn't.

We clearly have very different views on this issue but no, IMO, the two laws are not remotely “the same”. Yes, they should both be complied with as they are laws but that’s where the “same” bit ends - just because it’s a law does not mean it’s a good and useful one.

Simply because I comply with any regs, either out of choice because I was already ahead of the game , or because I have to if I don't want to be fined, does not mean that I have to roll over and proclaim the legislation as a "good thing".

I take it from your argument that you think each and every law passed in this country, whether produced by our own Parliament or passed down via EU directives, is important and worthwhile and that no-one should raise any objections just because you don’t think that those objections are valid?

sooz

poppysarah wrote: »

I think the only people who'll object will be landlords who'll see the forced insulation of their properties as ripping into their profits.


I think you have totally misunderstood the EPC. There is no 'forced insulation' of properties. The inspectors don't come round with a rolls of insulation and a tube of superglue They provide a piece of paper, and there is no obligation to follow any of their advice. Moreover, if you do subsequently make any upgrades, there is no obligation to obtain a new EPC before the expiry of the current one. I find it is a lot more use to prospective tenants to tell them how much the previous tenants bills were, on average. The previous tenants are always happy to provide me with this information, as they were shown the same before they moved in.

Many people a year die because of cold weather

Many people also die because of hot weather. If I were to install an airconditioning unit, my EPC would show that my property was less energy efficient, & my carbon rating would be worse.

poppysarah

tbs624 wrote: »

I take it from your argument that you think each and every law passed in this country, whether produced by our own Parliament or passed down via EU directives, is important and worthwhile and that no-one should raise any objections just because you don’t think that those objections are valid?

No I don't. But I would get in touch with my MP when I felt strongly enough about something or indeed write to the prime minister directly. I have been involved in politics on a local level in the past. I would even make sure I was involved in the consultation processes if it was a really important issue.

adr0ck

poppysarah wrote: »

. I have been involved in politics .

you can tell