Short selling (NAKED) ...the biggest crime... EVER ....see last post

TRUSt_NO_1_2

Most short sellers (large hedge funds) do not borrow the shares.
They 'naked short',that is they sell shares they don't have because the trading platforms (databases) AND REGULATORS (WHO ARE TAKING BACK HANDERS AND ALSO DOING IT THEMSELVES) allow them to do that.

A few days later depending on which stock exchange the short sellers are trading on they are expected to deliver real shares to replace the 'imaginary' shares they have sold (and collected the money for).Hopefully by this time they will have depressed the market sufficiently that they can buy real shares back at a much lower price as many retail investors will have panicked and sold their shares.
If they haven't managed to buy real ones,they do a deal with a broker,who sells some more imaginary shares to the first guy,to buy more time.

Most of the short sellers are hedge funds associated with the banks...(the worst are the Canadian banks on the TSX)
When the banks started to be sold short they thought ..hang on that's our stock your shorting.
That's our job (normally) !!!
They were on the phone in a flash to the Whitehouse (1st) then a few days later (Downing Street) to stop it on FINANCIAL SHARES (the rest of the companies are still fair game).So 2 or 3 days later government intervenes...on financial stocks ONLY ...WHY NOT EVERY STOCK...IT'S A JOKE ...
More to the point..
HOW THE F*** CAN YOU SELL SOMETHING YOU DON'T OWN WHILST THE PERSON YOU SUPPOSEDLY 'BORROWED' THEM FROM STILL HAS FULL TITLE TO THE SHARES AT ALL TIMES ?????
GO ON EBAY AND TRY IT !!!!

It is estimated that on Wall Street and Canadian stock exchanges (I don't trade FTSE) there are $billions of counterfeit shares that have been sold and remain undelivered.
If a hedge fund goes bust,and there are going to be hundreds going bust pretty soon ,the exchanges will be left with a major problem to explain..IN ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO HOLD AN INQUIRY FOR SOMETHING THE 'REGULATORS' (CROOKS) KNOW GOES ON EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK NOW !!!!

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Warren Buffett was buying Coca Cola stocks as it halved, halved again halved again and halved again. He kept buying.

Did he know something the rest of the world didnt?

Short sellers? Opportunity or threat? If its worth more does it matter if its a bigger bargain the next day? Does it matter what name the entity trades under? Or are the assets the same?

As a stock trader or investor you should fully appreciate and mitigate risks, and know exactly your strategy, be armed with your knowledge.

There are no answers, any body that declares the truth is a phony, just got to take your best estimates.

I will be holding on to my stocks, these prices are a buyers market.

PBA

TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »

GO ON EBAY AND TRY IT !!!!

Not totally sure of your point, but I have many times listed stuff on ebay that I didn't have in hand at the time, but knew I would have by the time settlement was due. Never got in to trouble about it .

tradetime

TRUSt_NO_1 wrote: »

Most short sellers (large hedge funds) do not borrow the shares.
They 'naked short',that is they sell shares they don't have because the trading platforms (databases) AND REGULATORS (WHO ARE TAKING BACK HANDERS AND ALSO DOING IT THEMSELVES) allow them to do that.

A few days later depending on which stock exchange the short sellers are trading on they are expected to deliver real shares to replace the 'imaginary' shares they have sold (and collected the money for).Hopefully by this time they will have depressed the market sufficiently that they can buy real shares back at a much lower price as many retail investors will have panicked and sold their shares.
If they haven't managed to buy real ones,they do a deal with a broker,who sells some more imaginary shares to the first guy,to buy more time.

Most of the short sellers are hedge funds associated with the banks...(the worst are the Canadian banks on the TSX)
When the banks started to be sold short they thought ..hang on that's our stock your shorting.
That's our job (normally) !!!
They were on the phone in a flash to the Whitehouse (1st) then a few days later (Downing Street) to stop it on FINANCIAL SHARES (the rest of the companies are still fair game).So 2 or 3 days later government intervenes...on financial stocks ONLY ...WHY NOT EVERY STOCK...IT'S A JOKE ...
More to the point..
HOW THE F*** CAN YOU SELL SOMETHING YOU DON'T OWN WHILST THE PERSON YOU SUPPOSEDLY 'BORROWED' THEM FROM STILL HAS FULL TITLE TO THE SHARES AT ALL TIMES ?????
GO ON EBAY AND TRY IT !!!!

It is estimated that on Wall Street and Canadian stock exchanges (I don't trade FTSE) there are $billions of counterfeit shares that have been sold and remain undelivered.
If a hedge fund goes bust,and there are going to be hundreds going bust pretty soon ,the exchanges will be left with a major problem to explain..IN ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO HOLD AN INQUIRY FOR SOMETHING THE 'REGULATORS' (CROOKS) KNOW GOES ON EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK NOW !!!!

YAWN, more ill researched halfwit BS. See, even I can make big print, yawn, so tedious, deprived child? Guess you weren't breast fed

TRUSt_NO_1_2

PBA wrote: »

Not totally sure of your point, but I have many times listed stuff on ebay that I didn't have in hand at the time, but knew I would have by the time settlement was due. Never got in to trouble about it .

The naked shorters never have 'it' in hand.
When the shares remain undelivered,(i.e as detaled in RegSho on USA traded stocks) ,the seller never owns the stock, at any point in time, that he has sold and collected money for.
Undelivered means the buyer is buying something that doesn't exist and because the regulators are in on the scam he will not be aware,as it is a purely electronic/paper transaction.

TRUSt_NO_1_2

tradetime wrote: »

YAWN, more ill researched halfwit BS. See, even I can make big print, yawn, so tedious, deprived child? Guess you weren't breast fed

Are you purch ?
Or are you just a clone ...same sort of reply ...no research....problem child bull5h1t.
Where is your counter argument based on research ?

I challenge you to give me data on undelivered shares on the Canadian TSX.
I want the ticker symbol,no of shares outstanding and original settlement due date.
I'll give you until Friday the 26th of September.

When Friday arrives you will have nothing.
Then I suggest you go back to Mummy and have some 'bitty'.
You still yearn for it by the sound of it ?

tradetime

I challenge you to give me data on undelivered shares on the Canadian TSX.
I want the ticker symbol,no of shares outstanding and original settlement due date.
I'll give you until Friday the 26th of September.

Actually that would be your job, you're the one making claims about naked shorts and undelivered stock. Why would I waste my time trying to prove your concept.

Here's how it works, you make an accusation, ideally backed up by the evidence you found when you originally researched the idea, assuming it's thorough that removes the "ill researched bs" claim or, if you want to play, you perhaps hold your evidence back until the "ill researched bs" claim comes out, then deliver it as a discussion killer.
You don't send your accuser off to find your evidence for you. Apart from the fact he has better things to do with his time than hunting down another one of your conspiracy posts, there is also the matter of conflict of interest, ie: if he disagrees with you he's gonna come back and say "No, couldn't find a single instance of undelivered stock, looks like they were all delivered." Then where are we? Nowhere.

As it happens, I imagine, (you see, I haven't researched it either, it doesn't really matter that much to me), there is a fair amount of naked shorting goes on and more measures should be taken to deal with it when it breaks the rules.

As regards to my comment, it stems from the fact, that here you go again with another dramatic conspiracy post, this one with no evidence, not even the usual link to somebody else's opinion. The usual dramatic increase in font size, it seems you crave the attention, perhaps that's you missing mummy's bosom.

Most of the short sellers are hedge funds associated with the banks...(the worst are the Canadian banks on the TSX)
When the banks started to be sold short they thought ..hang on that's our stock your shorting.

On the subject of research, if, as you contest, most of the shorters are hedge funds associated with banks, then why on earth would they be shorting the !!!! out of the banks, something of a conflict of interest there.
Whilst many banks do have hedge funds, and it might seem logical that they may use these to "bump off" the competition, it is likely that the biggest losers in a failure of a bank are other banks, since they are counter party to each other in a great many loans and investments.
Whilst not stating it, you imply by this,

It is estimated that on Wall Street and Canadian stock exchanges (I don't trade FTSE)

that you are a trader. If that is the case then you, more than most, should appreciate the benefits of not only being able to adopt short position, but the benefits they bring to the markets.

TRUSt_NO_1_2

tradetime wrote: »

Actually that would be your job, you're the one making claims about naked shorts and undelivered stock. Why would I waste my time trying to prove your concept. .

I’ve tried to get the data…believe me…they do not want the truth to become common knowledge.

Here is an extract of an email I received….
Thank you for your recent inquiry to the Canadian Securities Administrators (CSA) concerning reports on undelivered shares and warrants. Your matter has been referred to the Ontario Securities Commission (OSC) for response.

The OSC does not maintain a database which could yield the information you are requesting. However, CDS Inc has a ad-hoc query service that, for a fee, can supply you with a one-time electronic report of selected data that may be used for your internal research purposes.

Here is the reply from the CDS...

In order to better respond to these questions, please advise as to the context in which you are asking this question, the fact situation which underlies the question and your objective in seeking this information. Also, are you requesting this information for yourself personally or on behalf of someone else?

Tom Marley
Chief Legal Officer
The Canadian Depository for Securities Limited

tradetime wrote: »

On the subject of research, if, as you contest, most of the shorters are hedge funds associated with banks, then why on earth would they be shorting the !!!! out of the banks, something of a conflict of interest there.

tradetime wrote: »

Whilst many banks do have hedge funds, and it might seem logical that they may use these to "bump off" the competition, it is likely that the biggest losers in a failure of a bank are other banks, since they are counter party to each other in a great many loans and investments.

You misunderstood me slightly.
For years, banks and their cronies have manipulated markets by shorting. There are plenty of knowledgeable commentators out there saying the same thing.
(eg read Ted Butler re Barclays SLV ETF being used by Barclays to short the silver market and read his recent article on 2 US banks short position on the Comex)

As soon as some hedge funds started shorting financial stocks (banks) the ‘shoe is on the other foot’ and they scream blue murder and the government pass a rule within a week to stop ‘financials ONLY’ being shorted…that was my point…the hypocracy of it.

Whilst you mention banks bumping off other banks…it would not be a first.
There are rumours (I know rumours) that some executives of US banks were shorting their own bank stock.

Also..why did the SEC bring a 'new' rule out regarding delivery of shares,when the rules on delivery are already in place..Because they know they don't enforce delivery,otherwise RegSho would not exist !

tradetime wrote: »

If that is the case then you, more than most, should appreciate the benefits of not only being able to adopt short position, but the benefits they bring to the markets..

I have heard the arguments that it stops markets overheating,but I think the principle of shorting is flawed.It is open to abuse.If a hedge fund with a massive short position goes 'tits up' on a market rally what happens then ?

purch

Here's how it works, you make an accusation, ideally backed up by the evidence you found when you originally researched the idea, assuming it's thorough that removes the "ill researched bs" claim or, if you want to play, you perhaps hold your evidence back until the "ill researched bs" claim comes out, then deliver it as a discussion killer.
You don't send your accuser off to find your evidence for you. Apart from the fact he has better things to do with his time than hunting down another one of your conspiracy posts, there is also the matter of conflict of interest, ie: if he disagrees with you he's gonna come back and say "No, couldn't find a single instance of undelivered stock, looks like they were all delivered." Then where are we? Nowhere.

You don't need to do any research !!!!

It's all on the Blogs !!!!

Read Ted Butler...the guys an absolute genius.:rotfl: no research either, but he is very convincing, especially if you are easily led, and open to suggestion (did you know for example that George W Bush was flying AA 11 which hit the North Tower ??) it's all there on the internet, so it must all be true !!!!!!!!!!!!

Without shorting there wouldn't be any markets in anything.

Do you think the FX traders selling US Dollars actually own any ???

It's called trading, and if thats the biggest crime ever..............................

If you understood how the markets work you would be so open to believing such b*llsh"t all the time.

Time to grow up and join the real world Truss !!!!!!!!!!!!

purch

AND REGULATORS (WHO ARE TAKING BACK HANDERS AND ALSO DOING IT THEMSELVES)

Got any REAL proof of this accusation ?

$billions of counterfeit shares that have been sold and remain undelivered

How about this wild claim ?

Counterfeit shares ???

Somewhere is some dimly lit back street someone is printing counterfeit share certificates, and then selling the shares ??

Wow............and no one other than Truss has noticed that there are Billions more shares being sold than these companies have ever issued.

because the regulators are in on the scam

I guess it's pointless expecting any proof of this either.

they do not want the truth to become common knowledge.

They :rotfl: :rotfl:

purch

How about buying Futures when you have no intention of ever taking delivery...........is that a crime ??