meths or acetone

vaio

derrick wrote: »

……….their acetone price for 2.5 ltrs, (they don't do 1 ltrs or meths);-

2.5 ltrs £4.70 inc vat
Delivery £8.23 inc vat
Total; - £12.93


But as is said on East Coast site; -"All goods are from fresh stock which are have a shelf life of 6 months from the manufacturing date, we guarantee them for 3 months after dispatch, as long as they are kept in a cool, dark place they will in practice last a lot longer"

I probably won't bother as I won't be using a lot so it could last me 18-24 months, so I would probably waste a lot of it, so looks like continuing with the chemists.

I think the shelf life applies to the reactive resins they supply, acetone is just a solvent so should last just about forever as long as you keep the container sealed

What are you doing with it?

tomstickland

derrick wrote: »

It's illegal to bring it in, it is a hazardous chemical.

So is petrol. Better empty your tank and push the car onto the ferry.

derrick

tomstickland wrote: »

So is petrol. Better empty your tank and push the car onto the ferry.

Don't talk stupid, petrol,whilst hazardous, is allowed to be used,( unless transported in large quantities via tankers), as it is daily by motorist and does not come under same regs, although you are not allowed to carry more than 5 litres in a can, don't forget petrol tank is protected and "sealed" to a point. From what I have been told by various suppliers I have contacted it comes under COSHH http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg136.pdf


http://www.research.northwestern.edu/ors/hazcomm/hazcomm-3.htm
.0 HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL DEFINITION A hazardous chemical is defined by OSHA as any chemical that is a health hazard or a physical hazard.
3.1 Health Hazard
OSHA defines a health hazard as a chemical for which there is statistically significant evidence based on at least one study conducted in accordance with established scientific principles that acute or chronic health effects may occur in exposed employees. Chemicals covered by this definition include carcinogens, toxic or highly toxic agents, reproductive toxins, irritants, corrosives, sensitizers, hepatotoxins, nephrotoxins, neurotoxins, agents that act on the hematopoietic system, and agents that damage the lungs, skin, eyes, or mucous membranes.


3.3 Additional Hazardous Chemicals
The broad definition OSHA uses to define hazardous chemicals includes not only generic chemicals but also paints, cleaning compounds, inks, dyes, and many other common substances. Chemical manufacturers and importers are required to determine if the chemicals they produce or repackage meet the definition of a hazardous chemical. A chemical mixture may be considered as a whole or by its ingredients to determine its hazards. It may be considered as a whole if it has been tested as a whole and an MSDS has been issued accordingly. Otherwise the mixture must be evaluated by its components. If the mixture contains 1.0 percent or more of a hazardous chemical or 0.1 percent of an ingredient listed as a carcinogen or suspected carcinogen, the whole mixture is assumed to have the same health and/or carcinogenic hazards as its components.


Any way if you have nothing constructive to post re my OP, then don't bother!

derrick

vaio wrote: »

I think the shelf life applies to the reactive resins they supply, acetone is just a solvent so should last just about forever as long as you keep the container sealed

What are you doing with it?

You could be right, I have spoken to one supplier who says he has a tin at home that is 3-4 years old, half empty and is still OK.

I wanted to use it in the main fro cleaning marks off wooden floors, the floor layer and manufacturers instructions suggest acetone for this purpose. Also for other general purposes.

I have manged to find meths locally from a builders merchants for £1.83 inc vat for 500ml. still sounds dear, I have rung several pharmacies and none of them sell meths, say they are not allowed
.

bryanb

derrick wrote: »

Don't talk stupid, petrol,whilst hazardous, is allowed to be used,( unless transported in large quantities via tankers), as it is daily by motorist and does not come under same regs, although you are not allowed to carry more than 5 litres in a can, don't forget petrol tank is protected and "sealed" to a point. From what I have been told by various suppliers I have contacted it comes under COSHH


http://www.research.northwestern.edu/ors/hazcomm/hazcomm-3.htm
.0 HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL DEFINITION A hazardous chemical is defined by OSHA as any chemical that is a health hazard or a physical hazard.
3.1 Health Hazard
OSHA defines a health hazard as a chemical for which there is statistically significant evidence based on at least one study conducted in accordance with established scientific principles that acute or chronic health effects may occur in exposed employees. Chemicals covered by this definition include carcinogens, toxic or highly toxic agents, reproductive toxins, irritants, corrosives, sensitizers, hepatotoxins, nephrotoxins, neurotoxins, agents that act on the hematopoietic system, and agents that damage the lungs, skin, eyes, or mucous membranes.


3.3 Additional Hazardous Chemicals
The broad definition OSHA uses to define hazardous chemicals includes not only generic chemicals but also paints, cleaning compounds, inks, dyes, and many other common substances. Chemical manufacturers and importers are required to determine if the chemicals they produce or repackage meet the definition of a hazardous chemical. A chemical mixture may be considered as a whole or by its ingredients to determine its hazards. It may be considered as a whole if it has been tested as a whole and an MSDS has been issued accordingly. Otherwise the mixture must be evaluated by its components. If the mixture contains 1.0 percent or more of a hazardous chemical or 0.1 percent of an ingredient listed as a carcinogen or suspected carcinogen, the whole mixture is assumed to have the same health and/or carcinogenic hazards as its components.


Any way if you have nothing constructive to post re my OP, then don't bother!

No need to throw your toys out of the pram. I think you've had all the serious suggestions you're likely to get on this.
I also think that HMRC are unlikely to apply the regs you've quoted to a few bottles in a private car. But of course you are correct - legally.

derrick

bryanb wrote: »

No need to throw your toys out of the pram. I think you've had all the serious suggestions you're likely to get on this.
I also think that HMRC are unlikely to apply the regs you've quoted to a few bottles in a private car. But of course you are correct - legally.

What has Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs got to do with anything I have said?

" But of course you are correct - legally" so where is the argument?

bryanb

HMRC apply the regulations at Britain's airports and Seaports. The C stands for Customs. I'm not arguing just trying to help.
By the way have you tried White spirit?

derrick

bryanb wrote: »

HMRC apply the regulations at Britain's airports and Seaports. The C stands for Customs. I'm not arguing just trying to help.
By the way have you tried White spirit?

Yes I know what the C stands for, it is in bold in my post, OK I know where you are with that, but it still has no relevance to my post.

Re white spirits, I wanted the Meths to clean down stained outside wood work,(prior to re-coating), as per the manufacturers instructions on the tin and in verbal conversation with them, they say that white spirits leaves a residue and can make re-staining "awkward"

P S, the COSHH link that is in the quote you have in reply #17 does not actually go to the page I wanted it to, I have edited my post #15 from where you took the quote to this one http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg136.pdf , although the COSHH is a helpful site if once there you click on "chemicals".

bryanb

The relevance is to your post 11, I suggested buying in France/Spain. I don't think the regs would be applied (by HMRC) if you were bringing in a few bottles. Simple really.
However The regs you quote forbid that so please ignore my suggestion.
By the way, I agree regarding white spirit leaving a residue, I thought you needed it for cleaning, must have missed the bit about re-coating

derrick

bryanb wrote: »

The relevance is to your post 11, I suggested buying in France/Spain.( Would make it bl**dy expensive though), I don't think the regs would be applied (by HMRC) if you were bringing in a few bottles. Simple really.
However The regs you quote forbid that so please ignore my suggestion.
By the way, I agree regarding white spirit leaving a residue, I thought you needed it for cleaning, must have missed the bit about re-coating

You did not miss "the bit about re-coating" as I only mentioned it in reply to your post #19.

Thanks for trying though.