North or South Falling the Most?

dopester

turbobob wrote: »

According to this report falls have been higher in the north of England than the south. But things are rapidly changing, so this could be out of date now even though it was just released a couple of months ago.

There are some people who believe those who worship the Scottish stats as some sort of absolute are hideously mistaken. At the same time, I'm not bothered that much as if it gives people some comfort to cling on to flawed data, events themselves will soon overtake them.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4576737.ece

Michael Luck, the managing director of Slater Hogg & Howison, which runs 1,000 outlets across Britain, has accused the First Minister and others of talking “patronising nonsense” by maintaining that the Scottish housing market is proving more resilient and bucking the trend in the rest of the UK.

Mr Luck says that to back up their case they are using out-of-date figures that refer to transactions made six to nine months ago, but are being recorded only now, and have nothing to do with the market as it stands.

He told The Times: “There is a crazy mood among housing professionals and others that the public in some way can be convinced of the opposite of what is really going on.

“No one with any common sense looking at the market in the street where they live should believe the nonsense that has appeared.

“Scotland has followed exactly the same trend as England. It is no better up here than anywhere else in the country.”

Gorgeous_George

Edale wrote: »

I know you have said this a few times before and I have tried to work out your rationale but I struggle. I also know you will come back with a well structured response.

I used to think the same. I thought Generali was a switched on cookie. However, thngs change and now I'm less impressed. Generali is generally a bit of a NE basher and I doubt he has ever visited.

Today I drove to Pickering, Danby, Hutton-le-Hole, Whitby and thereabouts. I love the South but the NE is tremendous.

GG

epz_2

My take on the govenments spending on schools and hospitals etc is a bit like one of the folkes on the debt boards who has been paying their bills onto the credit card so they can get by, the bill getting bigger every day.

Basicly the government has p!!ssed a huge ammount of tax payers up the wall and now is running out of money.

Its all very well saying well we need this service and that one, fact is you eventually get to the point where you cant spend what you dont have.

Thats when its a VERY bad idea to have a large chunk of your economy dependant on the government. Think coal mining towns when the subsidies got turned off.


disclamer as a scot your all soft southerners to me lol

Guy_Montag

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

I used to think the same. I thought Generali was a switched on cookie. However, thngs change and now I'm less impressed. Generali is generally a bit of a NE basher and I doubt he has ever visited.

Today I drove to Pickering, Danby, Hutton-le-Hole, Whitby and thereabouts. I love the South but the NE is tremendous.

GG

But how many Danbys does it take to offset say Middlesborough, Stockton or my favourite example to support Generali for this Durham.

Durham's biggest employers are the uni, the prison service, the passport office & the council. To make matters worse it's surrounded by former pit villages which now have generational unemployment.

Even Danby must rely heavily on farm subsidies & what revenue does it supply to HM Govt. - it has, IIRC, one pub (that was empty the only time I went in, but was very nice), a bakery & a post office (presumably subsidised).

The problem, as I've said before, with the NE, is that anyone living there who wants to do well leaves to go south where the big money & opportunities exist. What it needs is less money spent & more tax breaks to encourage companies to set up or move north.

mitchaa

dopester wrote: »

There are some people who believe those who worship the Scottish stats as some sort of absolute are hideously mistaken. At the same time, I'm not bothered that much as if it gives people some comfort to cling on to flawed data, events themselves will soon overtake them.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4576737.ece

Good old Michael Luck (Who on earth is he:rotfl: )

Article is rubbish, i think all major lenders are still showing Scotland with YOY gains so how on earth can this be the same as -10% that England is seeing?

Prices are still remaining steady up my neck of the woods, no signs of falls or a decline.

Didn't a BBC article (So far more credible than your drivel) state Scottish house prices rose last month;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7556887.stm

Quote:
The Scottish House Price Monitor showed that quarterly figures to the end of July rose by 1.6%, giving an average house price of £172,185. On an annual basis, it means Scottish house prices have risen by 9.3%

Long way off yet being YOY negative

North - 20.6%
Aberdeen - 8.8%
Dundee - 9.4%
Central/Fife/Perth/Tayside - 9.9%
Edinburgh - 6.7%
South west - 9.1%
Glasgow - 4.4%
South east - 2.3%

Dopestar...You my friend are deluded if you think Scotland is currently falling as hard as England, you have absoloute no evidence of this.

You are letting this whole HPC thing take over your life, i think you need to take a step back from this all as you are getting a bit obsessed by it all now

sad_dog_lady

i think that parts of scotland are being affected by people wishing to offload permanant residence holiday homes, just a thought .

PayDay

ManAtHome wrote: »

Doubt it was a real programmer job (unless they're still waiting for applicants) - plenty of companies in West Yorkshire paying nearly twice that for grad trainees and struggling to attract staff.

A friend of mine works in a recruitment agency in East Riding of Yorkshire. She said that they struggle to find people with degrees that want to work in the area.

PayDay

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

I used to think the same. I thought Generali was a switched on cookie. However, thngs change and now I'm less impressed. Generali is generally a bit of a NE basher and I doubt he has ever visited.

I think I read that Generali said he was half nothern? He doesn't come across as a "NE basher" to me.

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Today I drove to Pickering, Danby, Hutton-le-Hole, Whitby and thereabouts. I love the South but the NE is tremendous.

GG

Those areas I highlighted in bold are not the NE:rotfl:They are the north. The NE is higher up.

MissMoneypenny

ManAtHome wrote: »

- plenty of companies in West Yorkshire paying nearly twice that for grad trainees and struggling to attract staff.

My friend's son is a graduate who would love a job on 22k in that area as he doesn't want to leave the area if he can avoid it. Would you post the details of those jobs please.

I know someone who works in Hull as a computer programmer for 15k. She has to travel to the HO in London every month and has said that the programmers there earn more than her. She can't move because of family.

dopester

Guy_Montag wrote: »

What it needs is less money spent & more tax breaks to encourage companies to set up or move north.

Can Government afford such generous tax breaks for companies already under the strain to relocate somewhere up North? And I'm talking about companies which haven't hitched their whole strategy and survival on the HPI boom-boom bandwagon, because nearly everywhere I look UK companies are getting hit hard.

My own view is our Government coffers will be hit harder, just like New York found that in June of last year it took $176 million in taxes from the top 16 banks, but this June it only took $5 million - with the Governor of New York strongly calling it a real funding CRISIS.

That Policy Exchange study that broke a couple of weeks ago..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7556937.stm

Cities in northern England such as Liverpool, Sunderland and Bradford are "beyond revival" and residents should move south, a think tank has argued.

There will be less and less Government money to spread around in my view. People should prepare themselves for a real drop in living standards (not the end of the world and still better living standards than in previous ages or during war, unless society really turns on itself in a self-indulgent strop).

And "when opportunity is cut off in one direction, people will move in another" as part of the "mechanism through which individuals actively seek their happiness and societies maintain their balance".