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  • Paparika
    Paparika Posts: 2,476 Forumite
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    It jar's me off that some dog owners won't clean up after them.

    I had a neighbour who had a real go at me a few days ago about it, I calmly explained that i always clean up after my pup and she then ranted on about where he wee's

    tisk there is never a right way with that woman.

    proud to say Perry the pup had his last injections yesterday and i had him chipped too,
    2 weeks and counting before we can properly go out.

    and 2 car journeys without being sick :) although travel eze works brilliantly if taken an hour before journey, but Perry doens't like his ginger biccys now
    Life is about give and take, if you can't give why should you take?
  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
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    I do let my dogs of the lead. They are sight hounds and I believe they have a psychological need for free run. We actully usually provide this in a secure field where we are for my mum's dogs, but I have a greyhound who comes every where with me and I let her off the lead in any secure and legal park or area. She has NEVER bitten or attacked anoher dog, and she rarely goes very close to other dogs, but she DOES bounce up to them, whch can be worrying for owners (she bounces like a kangaroo and for people not use to big dogs I can see it might be worrying). She is actullay pretty exceelent at coming back when I call her, at the very lest she comes back towards me if not right to me 100% of the time.

    If I see other dogs on leads ahead I put mine on a lead (assuming other dog could be on lead for ITS bad manners and don't want mine upsetting it or owner) and if I se tiny children I put her on a lead too. (she loves children but if they get scared or over excited I wouldn't want them to initiate play with her that was rougher and risk hem getting knocked over or intimidated).

    I spend a lot of rime traiing our dogs and the non grey ar ethe most obediant of their bree I've come across, and well known for a laidback non aggressive attitude. Similarly they are walked on and off leads, I'd be more minded to lead them when people are about. We have NEVER had problems inititaed by them but we have had people whose attitude is hysterical to dogs (even on leads and they have apprached US to SCREAM or YELL about big do in public places. Te dogs have barked back, (either thinking it is play or protecting me depending on situation.) As all my dogs are large we struggle with more prvate oot paths. Styles are absoltuley imposible (I cannot carry the greyhound myself, DH can lift her but noone could lift the others!) and kissing gates hard or impossible too. so for off lead walks we are restricted to more open places, often where things of interest our (my standard one is an outpost of a NT property where off lead dogs horse riders as well as people, whether walkers or families or whatever all mix). Depsite being a pretty accomplished trainer/handler I take all my dogs to a basic hanling course as pups, because I believe the socialisation with other dogs of different breeds is invalable. Its also interesting to see how many dogs owners love there dog but are totally unable to read the finer points of their dog body language, or any of other dogs communications!

    Your poor pup....do you do a basic obediance class? If he's been attacked twice in a short time frame he might understandably, become wary and then, sadly, be more likely to be a victim again. Learning to feel comfortable in a group ituation might be great for him too.
  • suki1964
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    Tan007 wrote: »
    I have a 4 month old puppy, this weekend on two seperate occasions he was attacked by other dogs. What is it with some owners, they let their dogs run round off the lead, with no discipline. Most owners we come across are really friendly and have control of their dogs. However on speaking to other dog owners this happends all to often. What is wrong with some people! My husbands attitude at first was people wouldnt let their dogs off the leads if they were a problem, he now knows that is not the case. I personally dont like dogs running towards me, if they are nice or not. My dog will remain on the lead until his recall is 100% and if there was any agression in him he wouldnt come off. Sorry just had to get this off my chest.

    Are you sure your puppy was attacked for it is very rare that a puppy of that age to be attacked.

    Could you perhaps just not be witnessing normal doggy behaviour and your puppy not yet used to the big wide world is getting a bit nervous and squealing ?

    Puppy's have "licence" until at least 6 months old where other dogs will run up and nose about and generally bounce all over the pup - in play. Part of your job as a responsible "good" dog owner is to get pup used to this behaviour and learn to take it in his stride so no fear aggression develops.

    May I suggest " The perfect Pup" by Gwen Bailey and puppy classes where pup can get used to other dogs in a controlled environment
  • Raksha
    Raksha Posts: 4,569 Forumite
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    Some adult dogs just don't know how to act around pups. But normally they run away rather than outright 'attack' - if your pup didn't need vet treatment for any wounds, he was not attacked. However, he may well have been frightened, and that's a different matter. Perhaps it would be better to think about where you are taking him, and to ask other dog owners to put their dog on lead to socialise with your puppy - he is your responsibility.
    Please forgive me if my comments seem abrupt or my questions have obvious answers, I have a mental health condition which affects my ability to see things as others might.
  • Paparika
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    oooo I am so tired.

    puppy has a big pen with a big dog basket, paper down and a bowl of water to sleep in each night.

    he spent the first week escaping from it so we reinforced it so that he couldn't and the past week has had a cuddle on the sofa at night (cuddles are every night) and then gets put in his pen at night.

    Last night however he had a nap on the sofa alone, i took him out at 10 ish for his 'business' and promptly put him in his bed, said good night and went to bed myself, within half hour he was howling, and as son was asleep and had school in the morning i went down to see what the matter was, he was all excited on the sofa wagging his tail, a small land mine on the paper in his pen and a widdle. and a very shredded puppy pad.

    so i cleaned it all up and a lil cuddle to calm him down and put him back to bed, and went back to bed.

    10 mins later he is crying again, i go down stairs and again he greets me on the sofa.

    i sit with him for 10 mins having cuddles on the sofa as he starts to fall alseep, and then calmly put him to bed and put some of the bedding over him and say good night and go back to bed.

    All is peaceful again....... until 5am this morning.

    big puddle on the remaining puppy pad, and he's on the sofa again!!.

    i realise that my curtains are still open and its light outside and think he must think its get up time so i close the curtains, and cuddle him and put him back to bed,

    I missed my alarm call at 7, ( i switched the alarm off) and my son wakes me and makes me a coffee and leaves it downstairs, i woke at 7.30.

    puppy has been placed in his daytime crate.

    as i type this he is fast alseep on the sofa.

    a few questions as i am toiltet training.

    Is he telling me he's unhappy that he had to do it in his pen, (not that it bothered him before).

    was it just because we didn't have our evening cuddles on the sofa last night.

    during the day when i am home from work i get his big bed out of the pen so he can lie in it, was very tempted to do that last night but then the puddles etc ......

    He's being crate trained and does extremely well with that, and is taken out very regular although he cannot go out properly for another week and a half, he just had his last jabs on Monday.

    Thank god for my flexible hours, so i can in a bit later today
    Life is about give and take, if you can't give why should you take?
  • Bromley86
    Bromley86 Posts: 1,123 Forumite
    Not too sure what your setup is. Do you have a crate and a pen? In which case surely it's the pen duing the day and the crate at night, not the other way around.

    Could it be that his pen is too big? Part of the crate training thing is, frankly, about making it mildly unpleasant for him to go inside as it's near places that he'd rather not go near.

    I know in our girl's case, I used to get up in the middle of the night (as well as going to bed late and getting up early) to take her out. That was just for the first week though. I wouldn't play with her because that would reward her whining.
  • tbain
    tbain Posts: 127 Forumite
    We are crate training our puppy and what I tend to do at night is take her out at around 11.00 before I go to bed , so far we have had no mess in the crate and she is content to sleep in there. Try doing that as when they are in the crate they tend to feel secure and don't want to mess up their personal space in there. Good luck and let us know how you get on.
  • Do you have any friends with vaccinated dogs that could meet up with you so that your pup gets used to other dogs. When mine was small I used to get friends dogs to come round, also men wearing hats, sunglasses etc. The more you can expose the pup to at a young age the better.
  • elsien
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    My dog is always on the lead - we've had occasions where pupppies have approached her and she's got very bouncy and boinged all over them. This is very concerning to the puppy's owner, partly because of the look of my dog, and also because they are worried she'll flatten them due to her size.
    TBH I work on the basis that if my dog is on a lead, and the puppy isn't (which has happened quite a few times) it's up to the owner to keep his puppy out of my dogs way.
    Problem is, they seem to think that having a puppy means it can do what it likes, and after I've managed to retrieve the puppy (who is usually on its back by this time) from under my mutts feet, they then let it come back for another go, while expecting me to somehow keep mine calm.

    I realise this isn't the case with the OP, and can completely agree that off lead dogs approaching you, however friendly they might be can be very annoying if they're ignoring their owner.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
  • tncm
    tncm Posts: 10 Forumite
    Hi.

    If you dont trust your dog alone with your child, you shouldnt have it. (the dog that is).
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