70% gas price rise

moonrakerz

1carminestocky wrote: »

Arthur Scargill was much-derided during the miner's strike for predicting that one day we would be importing coal into this country. His prediction turned out to be correct. This country really is going to the dogs.

I suppose we would all feel much better if we were being held to ransom by "sons of" Scargill & McGahey rather than some Russian !

1carminestocky

moonrakerz wrote: »

I suppose we would all feel much better if we were being held to ransom by "sons of" Scargill & McGahey rather than some Russian !

I know the nationalised industries werent exactly the blueprint as to how to run an efficient business....but at least the country owned our natural resources in those days.

zarazara

its thermal vest time folks.

doveman

Cardew wrote: »

The UK price for gas is amongst the lowest in Europe.

I'm not sure where you got that idea. According to this comparison of the quality of life in European countries, we pay the third highest prices in Europe for energy, 49% more for gas and 5% more for electricity than the European average. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080716/tuk-britain-bottom-of-quality-of-life-in-dba1618.html

doveman

JonnieHACK wrote: »

OK so forget all the talk about the past, forget all the explanations about WHY we are in this mess, does anyone have some advice on what to do to tackle the problem? What are we all doing in our own homes to help keep costs down? Are we all leaving british gas?

My supplier is Scottish Power. When I signed up my DD was £56 P.C.M (Dual Fuel) and in three months its risen to £91.50 P.C.M, I'm guesing this is going to keep rising with out a CAP.

AARRGGHHH!!!!! :mad: What do I do????? Financially this is killing me and my family.

Whilst solar electric systems seem to be rather expensive, I believe you can get a solar hot water system installed for about £2000, which shouldn't take too long to pay for itself.

Cardew

doveman wrote: »

I'm not sure where you got that idea. According to this comparison of the quality of life in European countries, we pay the third highest prices in Europe for energy, 49% more for gas and 5% more for electricity than the European average. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080716/tuk-britain-bottom-of-quality-of-life-in-dba1618.html

This is a simple link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7195811.stm#gasgraph

If you want better detail look at Figure 6(page 10) in this Government link;

http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file41845.pdf

Loads and loads of other information on this has been posted

Cardew

doveman wrote: »

Whilst solar electric systems seem to be rather expensive, I believe you can get a solar hot water system installed for about £2000, which shouldn't take too long to pay for itself.

There are loads of threads on this. A solar hot water system will save you from £30 to £100 a year if you are lucky.

I doubt you will get a system fitted for £2000 but even that sum invested(or borrowed) will return £120 a year. So your pay back time is NEVER.

Solar electric is out of the question from a money saving aspect at the moment, but all the indications are that in the years to come it might become viable. Particularly if you live in Arizona;)

SwanJon

doveman wrote: »

I'm not sure where you got that idea. According to this comparison of the quality of life in European countries, we pay the third highest prices in Europe for energy, 49% more for gas and 5% more for electricity than the European average. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080716/tuk-britain-bottom-of-quality-of-life-in-dba1618.html

Doesn't tally with these figures
http://www.energy.eu/

Maybe our rises are more, but that's only coz the prices were lower to start with.

Cardew

doveman wrote: »

I'm not sure where you got that idea. According to this comparison of the quality of life in European countries, we pay the third highest prices in Europe for energy, 49% more for gas and 5% more for electricity than the European average. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080716/tuk-britain-bottom-of-quality-of-life-in-dba1618.html

This also gave me that idea!! - from Swanjons link.

Prices in Euro per kWh effective June 2008 for a consumption of 2000m3(approx 22600 kWh per year)€ per kWh gas
Average amount in euro per one kilowatt-hour of gas for domestic consumers. Based on an annual consumption of 2000m3 of gas. Measured in kilowatt-hour (1m3=10.3kWh).
Incl.taxes & duties.

Effective: June, '08

Lithuania 0.033
Latvia 0.034
Estonia 0.035
Bulgaria 0.041
Czech Rep. 0.045
Romania 0.046
United Kingdom 0.048
Luxembourg 0.049
Hungary 0.050
Poland 0.052
Slovakia 0.055
Belgium 0.055
France 0.063
Slovenia 0.064
Spain 0.065
Portugal 0.065
Ireland 0.070
Austria 0.075
Germany 0.082
Italy 0.086
Netherlands 0.124
Sweden 0.152
Denmark 0.152
Malta no data
Cyprus no data
Finland no data
Greece no data

Personally I would tend to believe the UK Government figures as well as the European Commission figures, plus masses of other data available, ahead of a comparison network like USwitch.

Mazio_2

I think the figures need to show consumptions in each country as well to be of any use as Sweden looks like they use very little gas and it is not one of their primary fuels if you do a google search and this could be the case for most of the higher figures?

I do realize UK went onto North Sea gas afew decades ago and this is obviously now running out so we will have to import and this in effect will drive the price up but I still think too many nations and companies are making extremly large profits from us and some control should be in place and the UK goverment or some sort of institution should have had abit more forward planning on this.