A change in sentiment

neverdespairgirl

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I've not seen one point in history where the prices were less than they were 25 previously.

I think you'd find lots of 25 year periods thus in the 14th century.

At the start of the 1300s, the Little Optimum was in full swing. Balmy temperatures, vineyards all over England (incl, for example, Ely and Lincoln) and an expanding economy. It lasted from about 800 to 1300 AD.

Then a series of disasters struck. THe Little Optimum came to a crashing end.The reliably good summers in Europe stopped about 1300 AD, affecting the previously all-but-certain good harvests. In England, harvests worsened, and then after terrible weather early in 1315, failed altogher, leading to a famine for at least 3 years. From 1315 to 1317, winters were very cold, and summers cool and very wet. In England, and estimated 20% of the population died of famine between 1315 and 1322.

Then the Great Mortality (AKA Black Death) hit in the late 1340s to early 1350s, and perhaps 33% - 50% of England's population died.

Therefore it is extremely likely that land prices were significantly lower over many different 25 year periods in the 14th century.

England's population in 1300AD has been estimated to be about 6 million, + / - 500,000. By 1355, the population was an estimated 2.5 million. It didn't reach 1300 AD levels again until about 1660. Even in 1801, at the time of the first census, there was a population of about 8.5 million.

IveSeenTheLight

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I think you'd find lots of 25 year periods thus in the 14th century.

Therefore it is extremely likely that land prices were significantly lower over many different 25 year periods in the 14th century.

Ok, I can agree without seeing any evidense that potentially this may have been the case back in the 14th centuary.
Maybe I should have said modern history or house price recorded history .

I would like to think that we are a bit safer nowadays, more hygenic and the likes of the bubonic plague and famine are a thing of the past, although I guess modern day equivalents could be classed as Aids or Bird Flu.

lostinrates

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I would like to think that we are a bit safer nowadays, more hygenic and the likes of the bubonic plague and famine are a thing of the past, although I guess modern day equivalents could be classed as Aids or Bird Flu.

although its a guess I'd be willing to put money on more people not working today with depression or back ache than in the 14th century too

(before anyne starts a riot -not that i think either of those thinks can't be crippling..I have back problems myself, but i guess people HAd to work through them in the past.)

m00m00

well also most of us 30 somethings or above would be dead by now in the 14th C

neverdespairgirl

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Ok, I can agree without seeing any evidense that potentially this may have been the case back in the 14th centuary.
Maybe I should have said modern history or house price recorded history .

I would like to think that we are a bit safer nowadays, more hygenic and the likes of the bubonic plague and famine are a thing of the past, although I guess modern day equivalents could be classed as Aids or Bird Flu.

I wasn't taking the p!ss, I do tend to take a historical perspective, though!

In the West, bearing natural catastrophe, we are pretty safe from famine. But disease is different - viral diseases can be more of a problem. But I don't worry about it!

neverdespairgirl

lostinrates wrote: »

although its a guess I'd be willing to put money on more people not working today with depression or back ache than in the 14th century too

(before anyne starts a riot -not that i think either of those thinks can't be crippling..I have back problems myself, but i guess people HAd to work through them in the past.)

"don't work, don't eat. Work, and perhaps you won't eat anyway". Tempting job offer!

neverdespairgirl

Life expectancy at birth dropped significantly during the 14th century - from memory, from 30-something down to 9 (I think!)

IveSeenTheLight

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Life expectancy at birth dropped significantly during the 14th century - from memory, from 30-something down to 9 (I think!)

9 :eek: How the hell did they reproduce?

adr0ck

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Life expectancy at birth dropped significantly during the 14th century - from memory, from 30-something down to 9 (I think!)

are you a highlander or do you know doctor who?

m00m00

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

9 :eek: How the hell did they reproduce?

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