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    • Defensure
    • By Defensure 6th Dec 17, 8:39 AM
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    Off Grid Gas/Oil Central Heating
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    • 6th Dec 17, 8:39 AM
    Off Grid Gas/Oil Central Heating 6th Dec 17 at 8:39 AM
    Morning everyone

    Just after any advice on the installation of a central heating system. Itís for my grandmother who lives in a village with no mains gas. Typically people in the village have either LPG or oil tanks installed to power their central heating systems.

    Being a fairly old property, and her previous relunctance to change from her storage heating, we have only until now chipped away at her enough to get central heating installed.

    Which brings me to the reason I need some advice. My mum arranged for a plumber to go round and give them a quote for the works. The works entail:

    Supply and installation of:
    slimline bunded oil tank
    Worcester Bosch 12/18 oil boiler
    5 radiators inc surface mount piping (even though we only need 4)
    Room stat and controller
    Full set up and commissioning

    Now the installation is in a bungalow so all piping can go through the loft, and as mentioned it will all be surface mounted so no wall chasing or floorboard work involved.

    Anyway so the quote is £8,288 inc VAT

    my initial reaction when my Mum sent it over to me is that someoneís seen two pensioners and is trying to get as much money from them as they can.

    Has anyone got any thoughts on that price, and more importantly, any recommendations on the use of either oil or LPG gas. I read yesterday Calor will provide and install the tank for free, as long as you use them for two years and pay a standing charge every quarter.

    Many thanks

    Luke
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 6th Dec 17, 12:27 PM
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    • 6th Dec 17, 12:27 PM
    Welcome to the forum.

    I would certainly prefer oil CH and it will certainly enhance the value of her property.

    Is the boiler to be fitted inside or outside?

    What is size of tank? Bear in mind that larger deliveries of oil are cheaper.

    Others, more qualified than I, will hopefully comment on the quoted price, but for a smallish property I would have thought £5,000 would be nearer the mark.

    I suggest you get several detailed estimates.
    • A. Badger
    • By A. Badger 6th Dec 17, 8:15 PM
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    • 6th Dec 17, 8:15 PM
    I'm in no position to offer an opinion on the proposed cost of a whole system but I would say that oil is the better bet. There is quite a lot of competition among oil suppliers and that works to keep the price keener.
    • Ebe Scrooge
    • By Ebe Scrooge 7th Dec 17, 8:26 AM
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    I would agree that oil is a better option than LPG - it tends to be the less expensive of the 2 options ( in terms of the fuel itself ), and you're not tied to a single supplier - shop around every time you fill up.

    I'm afraid I can't comment on your quote for the installation costs - however, as with anything it would be wise to get at least 3 different quotes, ideally from suitably qualified installers recommended by friends & neighbours.

    The only point I would add - install the biggest tank possible. You don't have to fill it to the brim every time, if you don't want to. But it does give you the option of filling up when the prices are lowest ( typically during the summer, though the price of oil does vary daily, indeed hourly, based upon many factors - supply & demand, global oil prices, the USD/GBP exchange rate, as oil is traded in US Dollars, etc. etc. ). But if you can buy and store enough "cheap" oil to last you all year, you won't be lumbered with having to fill up when the prices are higher, usually in the winter.
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    • dogshome
    • By dogshome 7th Dec 17, 11:08 AM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 11:08 AM
    The major items are the WB 12/18 Boiler at around £2.295 and the slimline tank at around £750/ £1000 - say £3,095 for the pair

    This leaves around £5,000 for Installation, Flue, Radiators, Pipework, the Controls and the installers mark-up on every componant.

    Concur with Ebscrooge, install the largest oil tank as space will allow and get a quote from at least two other installers
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 7th Dec 17, 5:26 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:26 PM
    The major items are the WB 12/18 Boiler at around £2.295
    Originally posted by dogshome
    Agreed, that is the price we can get on the internet - and doubtless an installer will get it even cheaper. However the RRP price is just over £5,000 so I expect that is the price used to inflate the quote
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 8th Dec 17, 11:17 AM
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    • 8th Dec 17, 11:17 AM
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    • 8th Dec 17, 11:17 AM
    Morning everyone

    Just after any advice on the installation of a central heating system. It’s for my grandmother who lives in a village with no mains gas. Typically people in the village have either LPG or oil tanks installed to power their central heating systems.

    Being a fairly old property, and her previous relunctance to change from her storage heating, we have only until now chipped away at her enough to get central heating installed.

    Which brings me to the reason I need some advice. My mum arranged for a plumber to go round and give them a quote for the works. The works entail:

    Supply and installation of:
    slimline bunded oil tank
    Worcester Bosch 12/18 oil boiler
    5 radiators inc surface mount piping (even though we only need 4)
    Room stat and controller
    Full set up and commissioning

    Now the installation is in a bungalow so all piping can go through the loft, and as mentioned it will all be surface mounted so no wall chasing or floorboard work involved.

    Anyway so the quote is £8,288 inc VAT

    my initial reaction when my Mum sent it over to me is that someone’s seen two pensioners and is trying to get as much money from them as they can.

    Has anyone got any thoughts on that price, and more importantly, any recommendations on the use of either oil or LPG gas. I read yesterday Calor will provide and install the tank for free, as long as you use them for two years and pay a standing charge every quarter.

    Many thanks

    Luke
    Originally posted by Defensure
    If you think the price is too high, why not get some more quotes?
    Always a good idea to get more than one quote for any work that involves a not inconsiderate sum.

    Why do you think you only need 4 radiators???
    Again, more quotes from more experts will confirm or otherwise what is needed.

    Why not canvass the opinions of some of those in the village to see what the general consensus is as to LPG or oil?
    If it's all down to cost, you'll need to do some sums.
    (But yes, with LPG it does usually save you capital investment of the tank and it's installation, but the supplier will be getting it back one way or another...)

    One of the downsides of storing oil is possible theft of that oil, particularly when stored over the summer when you may not even notice it gone until you come to try to use it again in the winter.
    Last edited by footyguy; 08-12-2017 at 11:20 AM.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 8th Dec 17, 12:00 PM
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    • 8th Dec 17, 12:00 PM
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    • 8th Dec 17, 12:00 PM
    Have you tried getting some more quotes, and even got some for LPG as well.

    How have you come to your conclusion about radiators? Have you done your own heat loss and sizing calculations or is it just a guess?

    If you dont have enough or they aren't sized correctly then you'll blame the contractor if the system doens't perform properly.
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