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    • marksandygill
    • By marksandygill 16th Sep 17, 10:58 AM
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    Buyer wants built in bed removed after exchange...
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    • 16th Sep 17, 10:58 AM
    Buyer wants built in bed removed after exchange... 16th Sep 17 at 10:58 AM
    So we finally exchanged, due to move soon and our buyer now wants our 5yr olds built in bed to be removed, with us to repair walls and replace carpets if damaged!

    Nothing was written in contracts but apparently the husband remembers my wife agreeing to do it on the 2nd viewing! Anybody know where we stand (I'm guessing as it's not in the contract if we do remove it we are completely liable for any damage done?!)

    Also it's going to take me hours to do and leave my daughter sleeping on the floor for 4 nights...
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    • gazter
    • By gazter 16th Sep 17, 2:20 PM
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    Well I'm not sure I 100% trust them, after getting £40k off the asking price and trying to chip us for £20k before exchange, they then said their fridge won't fit so can we fridge swap, with us paying for the man in a van to collect from their house...
    Originally posted by marksandygill
    Were they successful in trying to knock you down at exchange?
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 16th Sep 17, 2:25 PM
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    WOMen have a tendency to remember what they wanted to hear, rather than what was actually said to them!
    Originally posted by csnann
    Fixed that for you
    • marksandygill
    • By marksandygill 16th Sep 17, 2:29 PM
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    No, we couldn't afford to move at the lower price, they magically found the money the next day after saying we didn't help and should have asked friends and family for the money (to help them afford our house?!)
    • olgadapolga
    • By olgadapolga 16th Sep 17, 3:54 PM
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    Lovely people, sounds a lot like the people who purchased our house from us . . . they made all sorts of demands prior to exchange and were told that we weren't going to meet them (they wanted "allowances" for this, that and the other, demands that became more and more absurd). We were quite ruthless in denying them everything as by then we didn't actually care if the sale went through because our circumstances had changed and it didn't matter if we sold the house or not.

    The final thing with them was after completion over a non-functional burglar alarm. During a viewing the husband had asked about it and was told that it wasn't working, it was old as the hills and no, it probably could not be serviced/repaired.

    We took it down. It wasn't working and the husband had been so awful to us with demands and such-like so we removed it. Once we'd completed and moved out, they were straight onto their solicitor about the alarm, the same day - we hadn't even reached our next home. My solicitor rang me about it, I said that we'd removed it as it was broken and no good. I also said that it wasn't part of the contract as it had not been mentioned on the fixtures and fittings form, to which my solicitor said, "Well then, that's tough luck on them!" and I am sure she took great delight in advising the buyer's solicitor about that (they'd made her life hell as well). End of story, Heard no more about it.

    Actually, thinking about it, there was one final email from them, asking us if we knew what a particular pipe was for (it ran through the back of an unused fireplace). I decided to ignore that as it was no longer my problem, even though I knew what the pipe did. I'd love to know if they decided to cut through it as it was a water pipe so that would have been interesting, being as they weren't DIY-ers, they got people in to do things for them . . .
    • G_M
    • By G_M 16th Sep 17, 5:09 PM
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    Fixed that for you
    Originally posted by lincroft1710
    Nice try, but:
    WOMen People have a tendency to remember what they wanted to hear, rather than what was actually said to them!
    • kaycastle
    • By kaycastle 16th Sep 17, 8:52 PM
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    Can't believe how one side this whole thread is The buying process is a long and horrible stressful ordeal. They probably forgot to make sure it was part of contract and just remembered now. So I do have sympathy with these buyers who are landing up with a bed they won't use. These buyers are under the same amount of stress as you, where is the empathy in this whole blasted process. I've just finished buying my first house...have spent the first 4 days cleaning it, including poo from all round the toilet.

    You can simply reply saying no you can't do that now, or compromise and say you'll remove the bed but can't fix up the floor or anything at the moment.Its not exactly a big deal.

    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use...bad luck for them they forgot to get it sorted in the contract but try to be sympathetic over why they would want it moved and why in this whole huge process it slipped their mind until now.
    • davilown
    • By davilown 16th Sep 17, 9:15 PM
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    Can't believe how one side this whole thread is The buying process is a long and horrible stressful ordeal. They probably forgot to make sure it was part of contract and just remembered now. So I do have sympathy with these buyers who are landing up with a bed they won't use. These buyers are under the same amount of stress as you, where is the empathy in this whole blasted process. I've just finished buying my first house...have spent the first 4 days cleaning it, including poo from all round the toilet.

    You can simply reply saying no you can't do that now, or compromise and say you'll remove the bed but can't fix up the floor or anything at the moment.Its not exactly a big deal.

    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use...bad luck for them they forgot to get it sorted in the contract but try to be sympathetic over why they would want it moved and why in this whole huge process it slipped their mind until now.
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    Exactly that - it's not in the contract so unlucky. If they cannot be bother or dedicate enough time to ensure that they get what they want why on earth should the op do it?

    Op, no all the way down the line and ignore any further requests unless it's part of the contract. It's their house now and they've agreed legally to buy it.
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    • sulphate
    • By sulphate 16th Sep 17, 9:37 PM
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    Can't believe how one side this whole thread is The buying process is a long and horrible stressful ordeal. They probably forgot to make sure it was part of contract and just remembered now. So I do have sympathy with these buyers who are landing up with a bed they won't use. These buyers are under the same amount of stress as you, where is the empathy in this whole blasted process. I've just finished buying my first house...have spent the first 4 days cleaning it, including poo from all round the toilet.

    You can simply reply saying no you can't do that now, or compromise and say you'll remove the bed but can't fix up the floor or anything at the moment.Its not exactly a big deal.

    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use...bad luck for them they forgot to get it sorted in the contract but try to be sympathetic over why they would want it moved and why in this whole huge process it slipped their mind until now.
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    Honestly if all you have to worry about is cleaning after buying your first house then you've got off fairly lightly!

    If the OP is buying as well as selling they are under a lot more stress than their buyers if they are FTBers. Buying and selling at the same time is 100000x more stressful than buying as FTBers. I just did it, believe me.

    Why should the OP's 5 year old have to sleep on the floor for 4 nights because their buyers are disorganised?
    • marksandygill
    • By marksandygill 16th Sep 17, 11:11 PM
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    I'd like to think we have been as sympathetic as possible, but they weren't when they caused us to lose our first house because they were delaying everything, they weren't sympathetic when they tried to take us for another £20k or when they told us we needed to pay for a man in a van to collect their fridge freezer as they wanted us to leave ours, or when a few days before completion they want me to remove my child's bed and leave her sleeping on the floor...
    • marksandygill
    • By marksandygill 16th Sep 17, 11:13 PM
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    Oh and they weren't sympathetic when they said that any damage to the carpet after removing the bed would be paid for by us!
    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 17th Sep 17, 12:14 AM
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    Can't believe how one side this whole thread is The buying process is a long and horrible stressful ordeal. They probably forgot to make sure it was part of contract and just remembered now. So I do have sympathy with these buyers who are landing up with a bed they won't use.
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    I don't have any sympathy at all - it's part of the fixtures and fittings. It's like saying oh b**ox, I meant to say I don't like the fireplace, can you remove it and make good the wall. Or I forgot to say I don't like the carpets, can you take them all up and make good the floor. Madness.

    I might say to my vendor I forgot to say I wanted her wardrobes or that I'd prefer grass to her decking, would she take it up and replace.

    It's hardly a light shade they're not keen on, is it.

    This is all AFTER exchange. Totally unacceptable. You don't just 'forget' these things, they are part of the sale/property.

    I'd tell them to whistle. And I don't think I'm being mean at all! I'm generally a very considerate decent buyer/seller. Actually my bloody dishwasher has decided to break and I've offered my buyer £120 which I think is more than fair. I could easily have kept my mouth shut, but I play VERY fair.
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    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 17th Sep 17, 12:32 AM
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    Its not exactly a big deal..
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    Exactly, if it was, the buyers would have sorted it in the contract BEFORE exchange and they must have been happy to leave it not simply forgot.

    You happy for a 5 year old to sleep on floor?

    I say first time buyers have it easier, the seller has to pack and leave completion day by a certain time on top of ensuring everything goes smooth leading up to the point.

    First time buyer, in my case, clean, decrote dew days, car load from parents then moved in.
    • NaughtiusMaximus
    • By NaughtiusMaximus 17th Sep 17, 1:55 AM
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    Can't believe how one side this whole thread is The buying process is a long and horrible stressful ordeal. They probably forgot to make sure it was part of contract and just remembered now. So I do have sympathy with these buyers who are landing up with a bed they won't use. These buyers are under the same amount of stress as you, where is the empathy in this whole blasted process. I've just finished buying my first house...have spent the first 4 days cleaning it, including poo from all round the toilet.

    You can simply reply saying no you can't do that now, or compromise and say you'll remove the bed but can't fix up the floor or anything at the moment.Its not exactly a big deal.

    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use...bad luck for them they forgot to get it sorted in the contract but try to be sympathetic over why they would want it moved and why in this whole huge process it slipped their mind until now.
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    You don't honestly believe they 'forgot' do you? Far more likely the buyer knew the seller would likely, and quite rightly, have wanted a higher selling price to cover the time and inconvenience if they'd raised it pre-contract.
    • warby68
    • By warby68 17th Sep 17, 5:03 AM
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    Can't believe how one side this whole thread is The buying process is a long and horrible stressful ordeal. They probably forgot to make sure it was part of contract and just remembered now. So I do have sympathy with these buyers who are landing up with a bed they won't use. These buyers are under the same amount of stress as you, where is the empathy in this whole blasted process. I've just finished buying my first house...have spent the first 4 days cleaning it, including poo from all round the toilet.

    You can simply reply saying no you can't do that now, or compromise and say you'll remove the bed but can't fix up the floor or anything at the moment.Its not exactly a big deal.

    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use...bad luck for them they forgot to get it sorted in the contract but try to be sympathetic over why they would want it moved and why in this whole huge process it slipped their mind until now.
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    You sound a little precious and young with this although I'm genuinely sorry you had grubby vendors - you won't think it now but the FTB purchase is more than likely the easiest one you will do. Anyone in the middle of a chain has it far worse. Also the general principle with houses that the fixtures and fittings are part of what is sold as seen applies to everyone. The vendor is at risk here of being accused of removing something they should have left should their buyer once again start to remember things differently at the last minute.

    I'm all for a bit of give and take but this one has been left too late.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 17th Sep 17, 10:03 AM
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    Exactly, if it was, the buyers would have sorted it in the contract BEFORE exchange and they must have been happy to leave it not simply forgot.

    You happy for a 5 year old to sleep on floor?
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    While I concur with the general opinion that the buyers can go whistle if they ask for something like this after exchange, I don't see why a five year old sleeping an a mattress on the floor for a few days is an issue. I spent half my childhood sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
    • steve_jones
    • By steve_jones 17th Sep 17, 5:22 PM
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    I can see there are a lot of replies supporting the vendor but to me I don't see it as too much of an issue, especially if contracts have been exchanged. Repairing the walls with fixings for a bed won't be too much hassle.

    Buying a house is just as stressful as selling, especially if the buyer is doing this for the first time. They may have limited money to remove a bed they don't want and if they feel it was agreed verbally then maybe disappointed.

    I am currently in the process of selling my property, I have told the viewers so far that the custom made bed in the spare room and flat screen TV's mounted to the wall (2) will be staying if the buyer wants them, if not I will remove them, plaster the holes and re-paint the wall. I have also said I will clean the carpets and the place will be left spotless. Yes this may take me a day to sort out but wouldn't the house buying and selling process be a lot better if people got on and did what they said???

    A friend of mine bought a house and said to the vendor that he would like the wall separating the kitchen and dining room removed as part of the sale, the vendor agreed verbally and nothing was written into the contract. The day of the move came and true to his word the vendor had removed the wall and my friend was happy.

    If nothing is written in the contract then you have nothing legally to worry about but simply ask your wife if she remembers agreeing, this is not something someone would forget. If she did then I would advise sticking to your word like a decent person would. If she is adamant she didn't then the choice is yours, personally I would still do what the buyer is asking as to me its not a big deal.
    • Narkynewt
    • By Narkynewt 17th Sep 17, 5:25 PM
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    Just ignore the request! You have exchanged now so they are contractually obliged to purchase your property.
    • mynameisclare
    • By mynameisclare 17th Sep 17, 6:03 PM
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    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use...
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    Our house came with a load of fitted cupboards in one of the bedrooms that were hideous and we had no intention of using. It would never have occurred to me to make the sellers get rid of them though - it was clearly our responsibility, just the same as if you don't like the wallpaper etc. It doesn't cost any money* to rip the stuff out and take it to the tip yourself.

    (*except for paying to fix the hole in the wall that my partner managed to make in the process!)
    • zagubov
    • By zagubov 17th Sep 17, 6:24 PM
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    If nothing is written in the contract then you have nothing legally to worry about but simply ask your wife if she remembers agreeing, this is not something someone would forget. If she did then I would advise sticking to your word like a decent person would. If she is adamant she didn't then the choice is yours,.......
    Originally posted by steve_jones
    This paragraph nails it.
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    • ashleypride
    • By ashleypride 17th Sep 17, 6:30 PM
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    Why should the buyers have to deal with and pay for getting ride of a fitted bed they won't use....
    Originally posted by kaycastle
    If they didn't want to deal with it, they shouldn't have purchased the house. They should have selected a house with exactly the fittings, features and wallpaper they would be happy with.
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