Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 8th Oct 16, 2:20 PM
    • 11,015Posts
    • 16,449Thanks
    Umkomaas
    WHOPLA accept UKPC's forged photos and REJECTS the motorist's appeal
    • #1
    • 8th Oct 16, 2:20 PM
    WHOPLA accept UKPC's forged photos and REJECTS the motorist's appeal 8th Oct 16 at 2:20 PM
    Unbelievable.

    WHOPLA have catastrophically whopped this one up. Oh my!

    That's another fine mess by Nick Abel led WHOPLA.



    Over to you Trouser Fire!

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 08-10-2016 at 2:27 PM.
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
Page 1
    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 8th Oct 16, 3:44 PM
    • 3,097 Posts
    • 4,387 Thanks
    The Slithy Tove
    • #2
    • 8th Oct 16, 3:44 PM
    • #2
    • 8th Oct 16, 3:44 PM
    Now we know POPLA is an accomplice to the fraudulent activities of UKPC. Can we trust a so-called independent body that aids and abets criminal acts?
    • catfunt
    • By catfunt 8th Oct 16, 4:21 PM
    • 477 Posts
    • 701 Thanks
    catfunt
    • #3
    • 8th Oct 16, 4:21 PM
    • #3
    • 8th Oct 16, 4:21 PM
    That really is a shocker.

    I would have thought that even UKPC would have cancelled the charge having been caught red handed with their pants down.

    How on earth did it get to POPLA? Though guessing that it was one of those caught in the Beavis case if it was Whopla who "judged" it.
    Got a Private Parking Notice??
    ** Do Not Pay
    ** Do Not Ignore a Notice to Keeper (except Scotland)
    ** Do not mention who was driving (No "Me" Myself" "I")
    ** Never, ever phone a Private Parking Company
    ** Please read the NEWBIES thread at the top of the forum
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 8th Oct 16, 5:15 PM
    • 2,952 Posts
    • 3,950 Thanks
    Half_way
    • #4
    • 8th Oct 16, 5:15 PM
    • #4
    • 8th Oct 16, 5:15 PM
    will they try and follow this up with a court case?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 8th Oct 16, 5:21 PM
    • 24,281 Posts
    • 29,940 Thanks
    peter_the_piper
    • #5
    • 8th Oct 16, 5:21 PM
    • #5
    • 8th Oct 16, 5:21 PM
    Now that would be fun, though I doubt that UKPC would be daft enough to try it.







    Well they are daft, so maybe.
    Millies due back at Christmas.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 8th Oct 16, 5:33 PM
    • 5,430 Posts
    • 4,956 Thanks
    pappa golf
    • #6
    • 8th Oct 16, 5:33 PM
    • #6
    • 8th Oct 16, 5:33 PM
    perhaps Saadiya Ahmad saw this one coming
    Last edited by pappa golf; 08-10-2016 at 6:15 PM.
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • HO87
    • By HO87 8th Oct 16, 8:02 PM
    • 4,125 Posts
    • 7,312 Thanks
    HO87
    • #7
    • 8th Oct 16, 8:02 PM
    • #7
    • 8th Oct 16, 8:02 PM
    I suppose the obvious response to this is: Well. what did you expect?

    However, this time there could just be something of a problem.

    For the benefit of all here is the content of s.3 Forgery & Counterfeiting Act 1981:

    It is an offence for a person to use an instrument which is, and which he knows or believes to be, false, with the intention of inducing somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice.
    For the purposes of this section a time-stamped photograph is an "instrument" which is rendered a false instrument - grossly summarising - if is tells a lie about itself. If the time-stamp was altered as it certainly seems to have been then the photograph wasn't taken at the time the time-stamp suggests. Doesn't that amount to telling a lie about itself?

    UKPC have already been hauled over the coals for this and know all too well that this photograph (and a number of other) is not quite what it seems but that hasn't stopped them producing it again to WHOPLA. Oh dear! One is only going to produce this photograph for one reason surely? UKPC aren't going to include it in their evidence pack (hint) and have the word "FRAUD" stamped in the middle of it are they. At any event it would seem that the WHOPLA drone has accepted it as entirely genuine and made a decision that by leaving the appellant open to pursuit of the unpaid charge would seem to be to their prejudice?

    Is anyone prepared to offer odds that any phone calls are made by those in BPA Towers to Thames Valley's finest and dob UKPC in?

    The best part of this is seeing a swaggering glorified debt collector-!!!-law firm entirely embarrassed by being sucked in by a doctored photo.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • yotmon
    • By yotmon 9th Oct 16, 1:41 AM
    • 355 Posts
    • 470 Thanks
    yotmon
    • #8
    • 9th Oct 16, 1:41 AM
    • #8
    • 9th Oct 16, 1:41 AM
    So, this is the same case that was kicked into the long grass, only for WHoopla to naively pick up and run with it. What plonkers ! If this doesn't cause a stink in the ppc world of appeals then unfortunately, we're all doomed.....
    • DollyDee
    • By DollyDee 9th Oct 16, 7:03 AM
    • 623 Posts
    • 640 Thanks
    DollyDee
    • #9
    • 9th Oct 16, 7:03 AM
    • #9
    • 9th Oct 16, 7:03 AM
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html

    It's this one isn't it? Scroll down to the 3rd one.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th Oct 16, 9:23 AM
    • 4,147 Posts
    • 4,767 Thanks
    beamerguy
    Yes Dolly that's the one.

    Wright Hassall have now proven that they DO NOT understand and don't have a clue what they are doing.

    This is a Patrick Troy problem and Troy alone makes the BPA a completely useless organisation.
    Wright Hassall has made the BPA look like a HUGE SCAM

    Maybe the Daily Mail should bring back the story again and this time involve Wright Hassall.

    Nick Abell should be investigated by the SRA as he is a roque solicitor
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • HO87
    • By HO87 9th Oct 16, 10:30 AM
    • 4,125 Posts
    • 7,312 Thanks
    HO87
    Its easy to blame the boss of WH but that doesn't address the real issue. The beast that is WHOPLA was created by one organisation and it is at their door the blame should be properly be laid. The rickety ordure-laden cart should be heading towards Haywards Heath and have a delivery note with a certain Mr Troy's name on it.

    If there was just one example that was indicative of the BPA's real concern for the public then this is it. That is aside for the cooked-up court figures the BPA supplied to the DVLA; the dumping of Old POPLA; the apparent way in which New POPLA completely misunderstood what it was they were taking on. And then there was WHOPLA. There is only one common denominator.

    I respectfully suggest that WH's version of brand POPLA is as great an embarrassment as the IAS is to any vaguely intelligent person unless, that is, we have all been transported off into some Kafkaesque dystopian Parking World. For when used in the context of parking appeals bodies it is becoming excruciatingly obvious to me at least that the word "independent" actually means completely biased.

    An independent appeals mechanism was very much part of the quid pro quo the government exacted as part of the keeper liability provision of POFA which in turn was the quid pro quo the BPA obtained as the trade off for not fighting the ban on wheel-clamping. The emphasis was on the word independent but its seems that once you have been inoculated with the private parking money-maker serum you lose the ability to understand the meaning of the word. The same goes for the word "management".

    Its about time the public got to obtain its quid pro quo and that is to be freed from the obscene burden of private parking enforcement.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 9th Oct 16, 10:35 AM
    • 11,015 Posts
    • 16,449 Thanks
    Umkomaas
    ^^ ^^ Wot 'e sed so electrokwentilly. ^^ ^^

    Great analysis HO87.
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
    • Aaron Aadvark
    • By Aaron Aadvark 9th Oct 16, 10:38 AM
    • 228 Posts
    • 403 Thanks
    Aaron Aadvark
    The BPA Ltd likes to suggest that it takes a tough line on rogue operators within its membership. When asked about any particular operator it replies that it is a trade association, and its relationship with its paying members is secret. Any enquiry will lead to a generalised statement about its sanctions scheme, but the fact is that the BPA Ltd continues to allow UKPC Ltd membership if its Approved Trade Association permitting that company to obtain data from the DVLA.

    It is now time for Patrick 'Trouserfire' Troy to make the BPA Ltd's position clear.

    Patrick, does the BPA Ltd condone repeated and blatant fraud amongst its members?
    Je suis Charlie
    • Castle
    • By Castle 9th Oct 16, 10:51 AM
    • 1,070 Posts
    • 1,325 Thanks
    Castle
    Here's the original thread; (however, according to post 198, UKPC cancelled the PCN in September 2015):-
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5313494&page=10
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 9th Oct 16, 11:28 AM
    • 5,430 Posts
    • 4,956 Thanks
    pappa golf
    ok , sunday morn , just wondering about something


    what was the date of the final bevis case ?
    I note from the photos on that link , that the incident happened on 18/07/2015 and that UKPC were banned from DVLA access 18/09/2015 to 5/11/2015


    I thought much older cases were sent to WH
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th Oct 16, 11:32 AM
    • 4,147 Posts
    • 4,767 Thanks
    beamerguy
    The trouble with scammers is they get too cocky and start making mistakes. In the case of TROY, it's all coming back to bite his idiotic bum.
    When I first saw him on that Watchdog program,I thought then that the man belonged on the muppet show and he has proven that again and again.
    Last edited by beamerguy; 09-10-2016 at 11:41 AM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • DollyDee
    • By DollyDee 9th Oct 16, 12:50 PM
    • 623 Posts
    • 640 Thanks
    DollyDee
    ok , sunday morn , just wondering about something


    what was the date of the final bevis case ?
    I note from the photos on that link , that the incident happened on 18/07/2015 and that UKPC were banned from DVLA access 18/09/2015 to 5/11/2015


    I thought much older cases were sent to WH
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    The Supreme Court Appeal was 21st-23rd of July 2015.
    Judgement date was 4th November 2015.
    https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0116.html

    Were POPLA appeals put on hold until after the Judgement?
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 9th Oct 16, 12:54 PM
    • 5,430 Posts
    • 4,956 Thanks
    pappa golf
    ok thanks , but what similarities were there between this case and bevis ?


    reading back , it seems the person managed a appeal to UKPC , was given a code and had full photographic evidence by the 20th September ,(london counsils) I cannot at any point see why it was then put on hold and handed to WH ?


    something does not seem right here
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 9th Oct 16, 1:01 PM
    • 11,015 Posts
    • 16,449 Thanks
    Umkomaas
    It might have been one handed over to the BPA in the pile that remained when London Councils cleared their desks on the final day. These were not necessarily Beavis, just a rump of cases not completed by D-day!
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 9th Oct 16, 1:13 PM
    • 5,430 Posts
    • 4,956 Thanks
    pappa golf
    OK , then WH should have not handled it , it was not "stayed" and the OP (as far as we know) was nit informed , this case if it was in the last days of LC should have been forwarded to the Ombudsman service


    OPs posts :


    incident date: 18/07/2015


    26-08-2015, 2:28 PM


    Default Help! Ukpc have 'photographic evidence' which isn't real

    Hey I need some help.
    I parked in a free car park with a maximum stay of 2 hours on 18/7/15. I arrived at the car park at 08:20 and arrived back at my car at 10:00 to find a parking fine. I still had 20 minutes before I overstayed. My friend also parked in the car park and arrived 5 minutes before me and didn't have a ticket.
    I opened the ticket and it stated that my car was first seen at 07:15 and seen again at 09:27. I knew this was not true because i was still in bed with my alarm set for 07:15 and my car was outside my home so with this in mind I immediately appealed because I knew there would be no evidence of my car being in the car park at this time.
    I appealed to ukpc who rejected stating that all photographic evidence is date and time sampled and this cannot be changed by the warden so again knowing that such evidence does not exist I appealed to popla.
    Yesterday I received an email from popla with the evidence sent by ukpc and without a worry about it I opened it to find several photos of my car at 09:27 and a few mins after and a photo with a time sample of 07:15
    What the *#%^*+%????
    So they say the warden cannot change the time sample yet here is a picture which proves they can!!
    I haven't had a decision from popla yet but with that evidence it really isn't looking good and the charge is now £100.
    I know from looking at some posts that I should have took advice on here first but I thought it would be straight forward as I knew there wouldn't be any evidence.
    Help what do I do??





    15-09-2015, 7:26 PM

    Hi all!
    Thought I best give you an update!
    Yesterday I received a letter from UKPC dated 4th September saying
    "Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to the above parking charge. We understand your frustration and appreciate the inconvenience this has caused you. It is not our intention to cause undue worry and frustration when enforcing our clients parking regulations.
    We have investigated the appeal based on the information submitted by yourself and can confirm in this instance that the parking charge has been cancelled.
    We strive to deliver a high quality service that enhances the existing quality standards insisted upon by our client and ensure out wardens are stringently trained to meet these expected standards.
    On behalf of ourselves and our clients we apologise for any inconvenience."
    At the date of this letter I had only provided the same information to popla as I had first submitted to ukpc which they rejected! Then suddenly they decided to cancel it. Funny how it doesn't say anything about fraud lol.
    Thank you to everyone who left comments! My story along with a few others really caused a stir which forced ukpc into admitting fraud had taken place. I couldn't have done it without all your help and support and also the support of the reporters who got involved
    The lincolnite




    email from popla on the 27/08/2015
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

552Posts Today

3,585Users online

Martin's Twitter