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    • Harold.Finch
    • By Harold.Finch 1st May 14, 9:30 AM
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    Identity Protect Limited - Domain Name Question
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    • 1st May 14, 9:30 AM
    Identity Protect Limited - Domain Name Question 1st May 14 at 9:30 AM
    I have a UK domain name which is used for family members email and web pages. When I registered the name I was given the option to 'opt out' of having my contact details displayed when anyone does a whois search on the Nominet site.

    I now see that although my details are not displayed the domain is now allocated to 'Identity Protect Limited'. It would seem that either Nominet or my Domain Provider are using this company to provide privacy services and their name and address appear as the owner of the domain.

    Further checking reveals that they do now 'own' this domain, although it would immediately revert to me if I opt out of the whois privacy. I have done this and I am once again shown as the owner of my domain, albeit that my contact details are now published.

    Sorry if this is a bit technical for many readers on here but those who know about domain registration will understand. Does anyone have any views on this company and the methods used? One obvious implication is that if a person fails to renew their domain, for whatever reason, full ownership may pass to Identity Protect Limited. Any views, just curious?
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    • Sunnyspell
    • By Sunnyspell 16th Mar 17, 9:06 PM
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    It was such a shock, I could not believe they would just make your details public and let everyone see them, it's not like they disclosed them to the police or a court. They removed the protection and the full name and address where showing on the WHOIS search, plain for all to see. Unbelievable!
    • Sunnyspell
    • By Sunnyspell 16th Mar 17, 9:12 PM
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    Huh? No -- this was how I set it up. I was fully aware that my name would be listed and my address and contact details omitted.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    That's OK because you were aware of it.
    I never paid for or opted for any kind of privacy service. I just chose to register as an individual (as opposed to a business).

    I can't remember whether registering as an individual automatically hides your contact details, or whether you choose to omit them.

    But 123-Reg haven't removed or cancelled any privacy I had. It's always been this way. I've had the domains for about ten years, and I don't think they even offered privacy services back then.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    123Reg only started offering that privacy service a few years ago, before it was just what you describe, the opt-out so your address didn't show. Then they set up Identity Protect Ltd to offer the privacy, and they charge around 50% of the cost of the domain registration itself for the privilege of hiding your details.

    Not if you're an individual who wants to hide his/her name as well as other details. Or if you're a shady business who doesn't want any comeback.

    Maybe there are other valid business reasons; I don't know.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    There are valid reasons, such as when trying to expose people or other businesses. Not everyone registers a domain to do business, and I agree if you are running a business and getting people to pay for services, they should know who you are, but not if you are not doing that.

    In this case the shady business would be Identity Protect Ltd because they don't do as it says on the tin!
    • absolutereturn
    • By absolutereturn 15th Sep 17, 6:26 PM
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    Looks like there's been a few kerfuffles involving this company.
    Last edited by absolutereturn; 15-09-2017 at 9:41 PM.
    Big corporations take advantage of the unwary, it's time we learned how to deal with them
    Any comments are based on personal experience and interest in consumer matters, they do not constitute advice.
    • Sunnyspell
    • By Sunnyspell 15th Sep 17, 6:51 PM
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    They were not happy with the decision and took Nominet to court... This is really concerning because of the following:
    Nominet had no data other than that supplied by the registrar, in this case, that the domain was registered to Identity Protect Ltd. They had previously told Mr Bennison that, if he needed to obtain the identity of the registrant in order to issue proceedings, he could apply for a Norwich Pharmacal order against Identity Protect Ltd.
    This came from the case of Bennison v Nominet Ltd

    There really is no right to privacy in this country. Pointless to use a so-called "privacy" company such as Identity Protect Limited when they can disclose your details at the drop of a hat.

    Even more worrying is how someone decided to just trot off to court and get an injunction, then bam goes the site. Only the police should be allowed to do that, not any Tom, !!!! or Harry.

    If you want online privacy and security, you have to look at other options, maybe get a .com instead, I'd never get a domain after this. Everyone should know just how insecure these domains are and run a mile!
    • glentoran99
    • By glentoran99 15th Sep 17, 6:56 PM
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    I registered a domain a couple of weeks ago, Within two hours of registration I started getting phonecalls offering website creation services, That's one reason for hiding information on whois

    why is .com any more secure? mine is hidded with
    • absolutereturn
    • By absolutereturn 15th Sep 17, 7:20 PM
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    It depends on who provides the privacy, Identity Protect Limited do not really protect your identity at all, as per posts above. They seem to be the only ones offering "privacy" for domains, through their affiliate companies 123Reg and Godaddy. Privacy for .coms is available through various companies, they used to be in the US. Also .coms are not under Nominet UK, just look at the case above, where they got then to take a site down just like that.
    Big corporations take advantage of the unwary, it's time we learned how to deal with them
    Any comments are based on personal experience and interest in consumer matters, they do not constitute advice.
    • onomatopoeia99
    • By onomatopoeia99 15th Sep 17, 8:51 PM
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    Even more worrying is how someone decided to just trot off to court and get an injunction, then bam goes the site. Only the police should be allowed to do that, not any Tom, !!!! or Harry.
    Originally posted by Sunnyspell
    Do you understand the difference between a crime and a tort? People can have legal wrongs done against them that are not crimes. If they are not crimes, the police are not interested. So a method is needed to obtain a remedy, which is to pursue for damages in the civil (not criminal) courts. If the identity of the person that has done the wrong cannot be found due to "domain privacy" then this right to redress is thwarted. Hence the Norwich Pharmacal order being available to more than just the police.
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    • gropinginthedark
    • By gropinginthedark 15th Oct 17, 12:53 AM
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    I've started getting emails to [a variant of my domain name] where the domain names match names I own but instead of they're

    I've not requested or purchased those variants but past experience of 123reg does suggest they are keen to extract money from customers. A bit more digging I find that 123reg have registered the names "free for 2 years" so I guess there's some inertia marketing going on, after 2 years I'll find I'm paying for the variant.

    Frankly I think the names without .co just look suspicious, very few have been sold so far, they should have been free to the holder of the corresponding names, it's just a moneymaking scheme for Nominet and registrars like 123reg who charge nearly 3 times what they have to pay nominet for the name.

    123reg even seem to be doing this in respect of names I've moved away to a cheaper registrar and names I no longer want and had already dropped (i.e. not paid the renewal fee).
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