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    • bargepole
    • By bargepole 30th Jan 14, 3:48 PM
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    ParkingEye lose in court again - Failed in Wales
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    • 30th Jan 14, 3:48 PM
    ParkingEye lose in court again - Failed in Wales 30th Jan 14 at 3:48 PM
    Rhyl County Court
    District Judge Thomas
    Thursday 30/01/2014
    3JD02420 ParkingEye v Howe

    This was a defendant I'd helped all through the process.

    He was being pursued as the RK, for an incident where his partner parked in a hotel car park, but in a separate section where there was no PE signage. She had gone to the hotel reception, and been advised that it was OK to park there. She submitted her own witness statement to that effect, backed up with photographs, in support of the defence.

    PE squirmed a lot and tried to say that it was all one car park, that there were lots of signs and so on, but the Judge said that she had done everything that could reasonably be expected of her to check that she was validly parked.

    The Judge dismissed the claim on that basis, without going into the usual arguments about lack of standing or GPEOL.
    Speeding cases fought: 24 (3 of mine, 21 for others). Cases won: 20. Points on licence: 0. Private Parking Court Cases: Won 27. Lost 9.
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    • edward123
    • By edward123 30th Jan 14, 3:56 PM
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    • #2
    • 30th Jan 14, 3:56 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 3:56 PM
    So what was not vexatious about that Parking Eye claim??
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  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 30th Jan 14, 4:09 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 4:09 PM
    As it was in welsh its only right its bilingual:

    Llys Sirol y Rhyl
    Barnwr Rhanbarth Thomas
    Dydd Iau 30/01/2014
    3JD02420 ParkingEye v Howe

    Roedd hwn diffynnydd oeddwn wedi helpu pob drwy'r broses.

    Roedd yn cael ei ddilyn fel RK, am ddigwyddiad lle'r oedd ei bartner parcio mewn maes parcio gwesty, ond mewn adran ar wahân lle nad oedd unrhyw arwyddion Addysg Gorfforol. Roedd hi wedi mynd i'r dderbynfa gwesty, ac wedi dweud ei bod yn iawn i barcio yno. Mae hi'n cyflwyno ei datganiad tyst ei hun i'r perwyl hwnnw, a gefnogir i fyny gyda ffotograffau, i gefnogi'r amddiffyniad.

    Squirmed Addysg Gorfforol llawer ac yn ceisio dweud ei fod i gyd yn un maes parcio, bod llawer o arwyddion ac yn y blaen, ond dywedodd y Barnwr ei bod wedi gwneud popeth y gellid yn rhesymol ei ddisgwyl iddi wirio ei bod yn parcio yn ddilys.

    Y Barnwr yn gwrthod y cais ar y sail honno, heb fynd i mewn i'r dadleuon arferol am ddiffyg sefydlog neu GPEOL
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 30th Jan 14, 4:27 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 4:27 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 4:27 PM
    It does make you wonder why they press ahead when they must know they are wrong!

    Racheal is not doing her CV much good is she!
    • edward123
    • By edward123 30th Jan 14, 5:12 PM
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    • #5
    • 30th Jan 14, 5:12 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 5:12 PM
    Would it be any use for a defendant who Parking Eye were claiming against to include this judgement in their 'bundle' even if it does not mirror their case but to show how vexatious Parking Eye can be and so sway, or help to sway, any particular Judge??
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  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 30th Jan 14, 5:14 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 5:14 PM
    But Parking eye are not actually being vexatious no matter what we like to think
    • Redx
    • By Redx 30th Jan 14, 5:26 PM
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    • #7
    • 30th Jan 14, 5:26 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 5:26 PM
    I can think of quite a few words that PE actually ARE being !!!

    but its a public forum and kids are watching
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • SevenTowers
    • By SevenTowers 30th Jan 14, 7:10 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 7:10 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 7:10 PM
    So, do we know the last time when Parking Eye actually won a court claim?
    • Buzby
    • By Buzby 30th Jan 14, 7:22 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 7:22 PM
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    • 30th Jan 14, 7:22 PM
    I was able to turn the tables against Glasgow City Council and at the Scottish Parking Adjudicator got them to agree (having had my appeal denuded when 2 weeks before the hearing they withdrew) I insisted their pursuit was vexatious as all facts were disclosed to them in my original informal appeal and their continuance was brinkmanship to see who caved in first

    They did - but now with no case to adjudge I argued they were abusing the process and wanted £180 in costs. A second hearing was scheduled for costs and the Adjudicator reduced my claim to £100, but ordered them to pay.

    I got my cheque 30 days later.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
    So, do we know the last time when Parking Eye actually won a court claim?
    Originally posted by SevenTowers
    Well they are in court most days of the week at the moment, so you dont know do you
  • ledsons teeth
    Well they are in court most days of the week at the moment, so you dont know do you
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad

    Quite a few going on every week from what the Prankster has highlighted.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/parkingeye-court-wins-dip-to-62.html

    December won 30 lost 16. Assuming costs to P.E of the reported £250 and high awards of £300 that would mean

    Costs £11,500 Won £9,000
    Last edited by ledsons teeth; 30-01-2014 at 7:35 PM.
    • Computersaysno
    • By Computersaysno 30th Jan 14, 7:51 PM
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    Costs £11,500 Won £9,000
    Originally posted by ledsons teeth

    A loss of £2500 a month to PE in court is nothing compared to the millions that they take from people.


    Despite what we all would like to think POFA, POPLA and the court cases are about making more people pay, and making it more difficult for us to stop people paying.


    It used to be very easy for us before POFA....now the waters are a lot muddier.
    Welcome to the world of 'Protect the brand at the cost of free speech'
    • SevenTowers
    • By SevenTowers 30th Jan 14, 8:24 PM
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    Well they are in court most days of the week at the moment, so you dont know do you
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Ermmm......., no Kirby, I don't, that's why I asked the question.........
    • bargepole
    • By bargepole 30th Jan 14, 8:43 PM
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    Ermmm......., no Kirby, I don't, that's why I asked the question.........
    Originally posted by SevenTowers
    I think what kirkby meant is that there are usually 8-12 PE court cases being heard every week, and many of the defendants are unknown to us, ie they haven't posted on any of the forums.

    So there's no way of knowing the outcome of some of those, other than retrospectively through an FOI request, as the Prankster has done.
    Speeding cases fought: 24 (3 of mine, 21 for others). Cases won: 20. Points on licence: 0. Private Parking Court Cases: Won 27. Lost 9.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
    I think what kirkby meant is that there are usually 8-12 PE court cases being heard every week, and many of the defendants are unknown to us, ie they haven't posted on any of the forums.

    So there's no way of knowing the outcome of some of those, other than retrospectively through an FOI request, as the Prankster has done.
    Originally posted by bargepole
    Thanks thats what I meant
    • ampersand
    • By ampersand 30th Jan 14, 9:02 PM
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    Well they are in court most days of the week at the moment, so you dont know do you
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad
    ##########
    This must be why their few lit-er-ate[Basic] employees are unable to be Back in The Orifice to read and answer correspondence.
    Moi, currently celebrating 60th day of No Popla Codes, despite manifold requests.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
    ##########
    This must be why their few lit-er-ate[Basic] employees are unable to be Back in The Orifice to read and answer correspondence.
    Moi, currently celebrating 60th day of No Popla Codes, despite manifold requests.
    Originally posted by ampersand

    They dont send their employees to the court hearings (well Rachel turned up @ Preston County court once).

    They use LPC law
    • 4consumerrights
    • By 4consumerrights 30th Jan 14, 9:13 PM
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    Prankster reports:
    News of ParkingEye court cases losses are coming in thick and fast and The Parking Prankster has had to redesign his web site to keep up.
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/parkingeye-court-losses-roundup.html

    Well done AGAIN to Bargepole et al - did you attend this one in court - could have claimed expenses here!
    • Stroma
    • By Stroma 30th Jan 14, 9:14 PM
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    They dont send their employees to the court hearings (well Rachel turned up @ Preston County court once).

    They use LPC law
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Probably because they don't want to be caught lying or/and in contempt of court
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 30th Jan 14, 9:43 PM
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    As it was in welsh its only right its bilingual:

    Llys Sirol y Rhyl
    Barnwr Rhanbarth Thomas
    Dydd Iau 30/01/2014
    3JD02420 ParkingEye v Howe

    Roedd hwn diffynnydd oeddwn wedi helpu pob drwy'r broses.

    Roedd yn cael ei ddilyn fel RK, am ddigwyddiad lle'r oedd ei bartner parcio mewn maes parcio gwesty, ond mewn adran ar wahân lle nad oedd unrhyw arwyddion Addysg Gorfforol. Roedd hi wedi mynd i'r dderbynfa gwesty, ac wedi dweud ei bod yn iawn i barcio yno. Mae hi'n cyflwyno ei datganiad tyst ei hun i'r perwyl hwnnw, a gefnogir i fyny gyda ffotograffau, i gefnogi'r amddiffyniad.

    Squirmed Addysg Gorfforol llawer ac yn ceisio dweud ei fod i gyd yn un maes parcio, bod llawer o arwyddion ac yn y blaen, ond dywedodd y Barnwr ei bod wedi gwneud popeth y gellid yn rhesymol ei ddisgwyl iddi wirio ei bod yn parcio yn ddilys.

    Y Barnwr yn gwrthod y cais ar y sail honno, heb fynd i mewn i'r dadleuon arferol am ddiffyg sefydlog neu GPEOL
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Twll tin Parking Eye.
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