IMPORTANT! This is MoneySavingExpert's open forum - anyone can post
Please exercise caution & report any spam, illegal, offensive, racist, libellous post to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com
-
All the best tips go in the MoneySavingExpert weekly email
Plus all the new guides, deals & loopholes
Last Share you Bought?
21-04-2012, 2:07 PM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 5,239
Thanked 6,085 Times in 2,441 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokolo
Did you sell in time?
|
No, I still have the certificate which presumably is now completely worthless.
Still trying to decide whether to buy Sainsbury, Morrison or Vodafone shares, just want some decent dividend income from a company that won't vanish into thin air
Stopped smoking 27/12/2007, but could start again at any time
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 3:26 PM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: False Flag operative
Posts: 9,007
Thanked 6,103 Times in 3,727 Posts
|
Just buy the ftse, they all in it. If you cant decide when to buy its even harder to sell
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Slavoj Žižek
the unknown known, that which we intentionally refuse to acknowledge that we know
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Queen Elizabeth I
The past cannot be cured.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to sabretoothtigger For This Useful Post:
Show me >>
|
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 3:28 PM
|
Deliciously Dedicated Diehard MoneySaving Devotee 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,274
Thanked 26,553 Times in 13,717 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretoothtigger
Just buy the ftse, they all in it. If you cant decide when to buy its even harder to sell
|
FTSE isn't what what it was. Highly concentrated. With companies getting listings that have very illiquid numbers of shares in circulation.
“…Bull markets are born on pessimism, grow on scepticism, mature on optimism and die on euphoria.” -
The four most dangerous words in investing are 'This time it's different'.
John Templeton
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 3:33 PM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: False Flag operative
Posts: 9,007
Thanked 6,103 Times in 3,727 Posts
|
http://www.stockchallenge.co.uk/ftse.php
For most people index is better. Buying individual shares is for nutters who think they Gordon Gecko tbh  The people who drive the market are in a trading business that can write off losses, we cant do that
Big shares mostly bounce back and forth, then one day they sell off (before market open) and you wonder why. Next week you find out the CEO wrecked the pension fund and thats it, you didnt get any special growth
Why would you think your research on a blue chip is better then a guy spending 40 paid hours to calculate that and he can write off his mistakes.
Its possible and theres luck but just getting one share is mostly a delusion
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLB53
|
I own CREE who make great torches if you see one. The problem is we dont walk round with torches, the business is about fixed lighting and its not LED (yet)
Japan said they'd take some to reduce power draw, all their Oxford street type displays. It is partly a play on high energy costs justifying the expense of change over, LED requires separate power circuit and/or transformer
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronWolf
P/E of 35, youch! I usually get put off by anything over 15 
|
High growth, steady business is more simple to value. What PE is a company that only makes losses, that describes most of AIM but they have value and solid assets even but are essentially insolvent.
Check out CNR, billions of gold, zero profit potential near term - 1000 PE (cheap)
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieJ
Excellent company, they charge me £1.20 for what equates to a 20 minute walk into town, Arriva charge £2.20 for the same journey, needless to say that Arriva never get any of my business 
|
Glad to hear it, hopefully they can survive higher fuel prices and be efficient enough to beat cars, etc
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Slavoj Žižek
the unknown known, that which we intentionally refuse to acknowledge that we know
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Queen Elizabeth I
The past cannot be cured.
|
Last edited by sabretoothtigger; 21-04-2012 at 3:42 PM.
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to sabretoothtigger For This Useful Post:
Show me >>
|
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 3:53 PM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,279
Thanked 400 Times in 273 Posts
|
Off course I know frig all about shares but I am in the technology industry and saw something recently that I beleive will be HUGE over the next few years.
Ever heard of Digital Domain Media Group anyone? DDMG. I'd like to jump on their bandwagon.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DDMG
Is that $7.55 for 1 share?
What do you you guys think of their track record?
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
One Love 
Last edited by sho_me_da_money; 21-04-2012 at 4:10 PM.
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 4:24 PM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 916
Thanked 472 Times in 298 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sho_me_da_money
Off course I know frig all about shares but I am in the technology industry and saw something recently that I beleive will be HUGE over the next few years.
Ever heard of Digital Domain Media Group anyone? DDMG. I'd like to jump on their bandwagon.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DDMG
Is that $7.55 for 1 share?
What do you you guys think of their track record?
|
The share price is in dollars so over $8 a share to buy. Will not be cheap to buy I believe due to spread and costs. But if you are in for a few thousand shares and if this is a punt for big gains then not the end all I guess.
Certainly interesting and thanks for sharing.
The last quarter report included-
The company said it took a $3.3 million hit from Legendary Pictures' decision to cancel Paradise Lost, a film Digital Domain was co-producing.
Which illustrates your high risk assessment but could be an interesting ride.
Purely amateur comment of course
Last edited by srcandas; 21-04-2012 at 4:26 PM.
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 4:26 PM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,279
Thanked 400 Times in 273 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by srcandas
The share price is in dollars. Will not be cheap to buy I believe due to spread and costs. But if you are in for a few thousand shares and if this is a punt for big gains then not the end all I guess.
Certainly interesting and thanks for sharing.
The last quarter report included-
The company said it took a $3.3 million hit from Legendary Pictures' decision to cancel Paradise Lost, a film Digital Domain was co-producing.
Which illustrates your high risk assessment but could be an interesting ride.
Purely amateur comment of course 
|
Can I not buy like £1000 worth of shares or doesnt it work like that?
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
One Love 
|
|
|
21-04-2012, 4:46 PM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 916
Thanked 472 Times in 298 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sho_me_da_money
Can I not buy like £1000 worth of shares or doesnt it work like that?
|
You could give iii.co.uk a buzz on Monday and ask. There might be restrictions (minimum amounts for example) and the buying price is important. But best get it from a broker who can do the business.
Of course there are other brokers who will buy-sell US for you. Just iii are the one I have seen. I have no connection with them or even an account. But you can find DDMG on their site without an account if you want to have a look
|
|
|
22-04-2012, 11:16 PM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: False Flag operative
Posts: 9,007
Thanked 6,103 Times in 3,727 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLB53
The last share I bought was a top up of Dialight (DIA) @ 755p in Feb.
Robbie Burns is a fan and also Mark Slater who runs the Slater Growth fund - I think DIA is a top three holding for the fund.
A lot further to go imo.
|
Yea I just saw that, he is pretty good but he also knows when to sell.
Anything like this I'd want to take some profits on its way up
LED is a long story still to go
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Robbie Burns
And I've tried to take advantage of bad days to add more shares in companies where I'm already in a massive profit.
None more so than in Dialight (DIA) and I added to the recent spreadbet on them at around 700 by getting some more at 980. A SB as my ISA is stuffed with Dialight.
I have been patient all the way from 150p to the now tennerish and as those of you who have to my seminars have seen from my accounts my profits in real life are something like £90,000. For the website profits are more than £50,000 - and of course there have been dividends on top. A broker has put out a target price of 1400 for these but with a fair wind they could go further and with my big holding I would be happy to finally exit on a nice bid. How about 1800? It's lucky: it's in the right market at the right time. I remember buying these live at 150 at a seminar, wish I'd bought more then...
The other exciting thing about Dialight is if it keeps rising it could get into the FTSE 250 which would mean some funds would buy in for the first time and it would also get on the radar of the bigger funds.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Slavoj Žižek
the unknown known, that which we intentionally refuse to acknowledge that we know
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Queen Elizabeth I
The past cannot be cured.
|
|
|
|
23-04-2012, 9:31 AM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,090
Thanked 706 Times in 410 Posts
|
Last trade was about 2 months ago, £24k split equally between Tesco, Morrison & Sainsbury. currently made about £1k. But I am just as likely to pick losers as winners, so try to diversify. The only funds I hold are investment trusts with a good discount to net asset value. Because then the fund managers are a liability that is already priced into the shares. Buying investment trust shares at launch is a recipe for losing money.
|
|
|
09-05-2012, 2:40 PM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: False Flag operative
Posts: 9,007
Thanked 6,103 Times in 3,727 Posts
|
They deleted the Cadogan thread. Ukraine is too controversial to discuss apparently, bad investment you have been warned 
As usual its doing nothing much despite the market turning dire
Last share I got today was Essar.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Slavoj Žižek
the unknown known, that which we intentionally refuse to acknowledge that we know
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Queen Elizabeth I
The past cannot be cured.
|
|
|
|
09-05-2012, 6:42 PM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Dorset
Posts: 915
Thanked 479 Times in 327 Posts
|
Well... I want to buy into Auhua Clean Energy but alas, could not purchase it. Something about periodic auction call.  Will keep on trying I guess.
So I bought Premier Gold Resources instead...  I like these kind of companies.
EDIT: Speaking of which, I just bought Auhua Clean Energy, yay!
Cheers
Joe
Attempting to build Sustainable Portfolio with twenty new companies. Bought ACE, EDEN, GOOD, GRPH, UKW and ONE so far.
Last edited by JoeCrystal; 13-05-2012 at 10:17 AM.
|
|
|
09-05-2012, 7:32 PM
|
MoneySaving Stalwart 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 268
Thanked 58 Times in 47 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretoothtigger
They deleted the Cadogan thread. Ukraine is too controversial to discuss apparently, bad investment you have been warned 
As usual its doing nothing much despite the market turning dire
|
I've given up trying to work out what's going on with CAD... it actually ticked up today! Just holding (at a loss) in the hope that something good will happen sometime.
Gold below $1600... anyone else buying?
|
|
|
09-05-2012, 9:39 PM
|
MoneySaving Stalwart 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 284
Thanked 311 Times in 47 Posts
|
XEL a few weeks back at 104 hit a stop loss at 94 so waiting for 80-85 re-entry only invested 1.5k but still took a hit on that.
Any other recommendations would be nice at the moment lol.
|
|
|
09-05-2012, 10:05 PM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: False Flag operative
Posts: 9,007
Thanked 6,103 Times in 3,727 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen Clark
Last trade was about 2 months ago, £24k split equally between Tesco, Morrison & Sainsbury. currently made about £1k. But I am just as likely to pick losers as winners, so try to diversify. The only funds I hold are investment trusts with a good discount to net asset value. Because then the fund managers are a liability that is already priced into the shares. Buying investment trust shares at launch is a recipe for losing money.
|
I took just Sainsbury but I sold most of them. I was thinking Tesco recently but only at 300 and its not really moving now
Quote:
|
J Sainsbury (SBRY) reported underlying pre-tax profits of 712 million pounds for the year ended 17th March 2012, 7.1% higher than in the previous year, on revenue growth of 6.8% to 24.5 billion pounds. The supermarket chain said that it outperformed the market, increasing its market share to 16.6%, with its own brand Taste the Difference and Basics ranges both showing growth. The group added that it achieved 100 million pounds of operational cost savings, bringing the total over the last five years to 600 million pounds. The shares gained 4p to 305.3p.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Slavoj Žižek
the unknown known, that which we intentionally refuse to acknowledge that we know
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Queen Elizabeth I
The past cannot be cured.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2012, 5:47 PM
|
Deliciously Dedicated Diehard MoneySaving Devotee 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 18,428
Thanked 30,824 Times in 12,670 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretoothtigger
They deleted the Cadogan thread. Ukraine is too controversial to discuss apparently, bad investment you have been warned 
As usual its doing nothing much despite the market turning dire
Last share I got today was Essar.
|
It will be that plonker that was complaining, some people have got nothing better to do 
Anyway, do you reckon that this news may impact the Cadogan share price, bearing in mind the Eni presence?
Quote:
|
A government source had told Reuters this week Anglo-Dutch Shell and Chevron of the United States were set to outbid
Italy
's Eni, Exxon Mobil and Russia's TNK-BP in the tender which Kiev sees as a step towards easing its dependence on Russian gas supplies.
|
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...84A14320120511
Quote:
|
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth” Lenin
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to StevieJ For This Useful Post:
Show me >>
|
|
|
|
13-05-2012, 8:10 AM
|
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 5,903
Thanked 3,802 Times in 2,404 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretoothtigger
Why would you think your research on a blue chip is better then a guy spending 40 paid hours to calculate that and he can write off his mistakes.
|
I buy blue chips (and down into the FTSE 250) for the yield. I buy good companies when the market has one of those real bad hair days. The only equities I've bought since last November have therefore been some private equity ITs, a European IT, and some infrastructure trusts and REITs.
I have some cash sitting on hand for the next time the FTSE 100 hits 5000, which will hopefully be over the summer. I have about six companies on my watch list and will buy in my usual £2k to £4k chunks.
Quote:
|
I own CREE who make great torches if you see one. The problem is we dont walk round with torches, the business is about fixed lighting and its not LED (yet)
|
I carry one with me at all times and it has a Cree emitter.
I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.
Last edited by gadgetmind; 13-05-2012 at 8:18 AM.
|
|
|
13-05-2012, 9:34 AM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 916
Thanked 472 Times in 298 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretoothtigger
Why would you think your research on a blue chip is better then a guy spending 40 paid hours to calculate that and he can write off his mistakes.
|
Glad this came up again as I took a long time thinking on this one.
I concluded that I was asking myself the wrong question
The difference between an individual researching and buying shares, and a fund company investing client's money is much more than research.
The fund has to usually invest in a very limited world, limited by scope and rules. The fund cannot go to 100% cash even if the fund manager knows the market is in for a big fall. And the fund manager cannot react quickly to divi's and special events.
And while a fund company's research might be better than mine I can to a large degree see the results of their research by the holdings they have. Yes they might act on short notice research but in reality due to the portfolio required by the rules they have little scope for large short-term profits.
Of course there are things that the fund can do that I cannot: out of hours trading, special discounts.
However regarding expenses, dependent on my strategy my overall trading costs are more or less equal to a fund.
So I don't think the two are comparable. They are very different animals. Horses for courses
Having thought about it I now have more sympathy for fund managers. Perhaps I'll send Mr Bolton a cheque
But just my opinion
Last edited by srcandas; 13-05-2012 at 10:10 AM.
|
|
|
13-05-2012, 10:42 AM
|
Deliciously Dedicated Diehard MoneySaving Devotee 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 18,468
Thanked 13,424 Times in 8,050 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by srcandas
However regarding expenses, dependent on my strategy my overall trading costs are more or less equal to a fund.
|
I'm not quite sure you can assume this without knowing how much funds cost to trade?
You only live once so make the most of it!
|
|
|
13-05-2012, 11:02 AM
|
Serious MoneySaving Fan 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 916
Thanked 472 Times in 298 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokolo
I'm not quite sure you can assume this without knowing how much funds cost to trade?
|
lokolo perhaps I should have said the cost of investing.
So if I play with £20000 share trading with each pound going in and out within a year my costs are less than 2% with a generous spread allowance and including stamp duty. A fund TER is about the same.
So I don't see expenses coming into my decision of which strategy is best.
|
|
|
 |
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 4:09 PM.
|
Free MoneySaving Email
Top deals:
Week of 22 May 2013
Get all this & more in MoneySavingExpert's weekly email full of guides, vouchers and Deals
GET THIS FREE WEEKLY EMAIL
Full of deals, guides & it's spam free
Last 15 mins
Popular Now:
Find the best online rate for holiday cash with MSE's TravelMoneyMax.
Find the best online rate for your holiday cash with MoneySavingExpert's TravelMoneyMax.
- £100 buys:
- Best
- Worst
- Euro
- 116.05
- 105.63
- Dollar
- 149.70
- 137.14
- Lira
- 271.00
- 248.39
|