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    • cattie
    • By cattie 2nd Jul 06, 9:32 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 9:32 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 9:32 PM
    This sites may be of interest to you

    http://www.eagagroup.com/grants/index.htm

    https://www.energyefficiency.powergen.co.uk/advicecentre/category6/WarmFront.htm

    I had loft insulation & cavity wall insulation done under the warmfront scheme quite recently.
    The bigger the bargain, the better I feel.

    I should mention that there's only one of me, don't confuse me with others of the same name.
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 2nd Jul 06, 9:46 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 9:46 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 9:46 PM
    Hi cattie

    I applied for this last week - phoned the number given after reading about it in the local paper. We're over 60 but not on any means-tested benefits but the criteria include any disability-related benefit, and I'm on Attendance Allowance, which qualifies me. I had a letter on Saturday saying that an assessor would be in touch within 4 - 6 weeks - he actually phoned at 6 pm Sunday and is coming tomorrow mid-morning to assess what we need and what they can offer. Because of my AA we're apparently entitled to £2,700 to upgrade our heating system!!

    As our monthly gas bills went from £28 for all of last year, to £35 in May, then to £64 from this month (due to the cost of gas on the wholesale market) we are keen to ensure our system is as up-to-date and as efficient as possible!

    The phone no is 0800 316 2808.

    Margaret Clare
    Last edited by Former MSE Natasha; 03-10-2006 at 5:06 PM.
  • C_Ronaldo
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 9:54 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 9:54 PM
    ill pass them on, thankyou, its not deffinate yet that she will need a new one, well no she will need a new one but as to when that will be we dont know, it depends if the gas engineer can get the part if not then she will need a new boiler
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 2nd Jul 06, 10:18 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 10:18 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 06, 10:18 PM
    ill pass them on, thankyou, its not deffinate yet that she will need a new one, well no she will need a new one but as to when that will be we dont know, it depends if the gas engineer can get the part if not then she will need a new boiler
    by C_Ronaldo
    Bear in mind that there are criteria - she needs to be on some form of means-tested or disability benefit.

    'If the gas engineer can get the part'.....this sounds as if the boiler is a bit ancient? In that case it may not be working very efficiently (ours isn't, it's 14 years old) and it might be as well to apply for a WarmFront grant - fuel efficiency is important what with the escalating cost of gas, as well as the effects on the environment.

    Margaret Clare
  • lilac_lady
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    • 3rd Jul 06, 10:54 PM
    Central Heating Grants in Scotland
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    • 3rd Jul 06, 10:54 PM
    Do you need to be claiming a benefit to get a central heating grant in Scotland if you're an OAP? My aunt doesn't claim anything because of a small private pension but can't afford a new system. The one she has is 35 years old and won't last much longer.
    " The greatest wealth is to live content with little."

    Plato


  • Edinburghlass
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    • 3rd Jul 06, 10:58 PM
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    • 3rd Jul 06, 10:58 PM
    It would appear that you need to be claiming some benefits, I'll move your post over to the Silver Savers Board where there is a current thread on these grants
    Martin has asked me to tell you that I'm the Board Guide of the Telephones, Reclaim Bank Charges, Silver Savers and Scotland boards which means I'm a volunteer to help the boards run smoothly and I can move and merge threads there. Pease remember, board guides don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. Board guides don't deal with this. Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 4th Jul 06, 9:30 AM
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    • 4th Jul 06, 9:30 AM
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    • 4th Jul 06, 9:30 AM
    Do you need to be claiming a benefit to get a central heating grant in Scotland if you're an OAP? My aunt doesn't claim anything because of a small private pension but can't afford a new system. The one she has is 35 years old and won't last much longer.
    by lilac_lady
    Is your aunt on any disability benefit i.e. attendance allowance? If so she would qualify. I didn't think we would qualify for the WarmFront grant because we're not on pension credit (income too high) but I get Attendance Allowance and that qualifies.

    Margaret Clare
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 5th Jul 06, 12:34 PM
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    • 5th Jul 06, 12:34 PM
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    • 5th Jul 06, 12:34 PM
    I have had Loft insulation and cavity wall insulation through a goverment grant scheme call THE Total Home Effiency 0845 063 5000 you do need to be on a qualifying benefit but they do deal with council and housing !!! propertys has saved me money on my fuel bill
    by dawn durning
    Yes, we had the assessor round on Monday - apparently they're not too busy at the moment so don't wait until winter!!

    We can't have cavity-wall insulation because this 1930s property has single-thickness brick walls - there's no cavity. The next step is going to be a visit from a heating engineer to see whether our system needs completely replacing or just repair and upgrade. We're getting a new jacket for the hot water tank and that will make a big difference. As we're now paying £30 a month more for gas than we were this time last year, any improvement has got to be good for us as well as good for the planet.

    Margaret Clare
  • lilac_lady
    My aunt isn't on any benefits - she hasn't claimed anything. Does this mean that it's eventually a doctor's decision whether or not OAPs get new heating systems?
    " The greatest wealth is to live content with little."

    Plato


    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 7th Jul 06, 11:15 AM
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    My aunt isn't on any benefits - she hasn't claimed anything. Does this mean that it's eventually a doctor's decision whether or not OAPs get new heating systems?
    by lilac_lady
    No. But to qualify for these grants - £2,700 in this case - there have to be some criteria. You have to be either eligible for one of the means-tested benefits OR one of the disability benefits. That seems fair enough to me. There have to be some kind of lines drawn.

    Anyone who doesn't get either a means-tested benefit or a disability-related benefit can get a new heating system, of course they can. They just pay for it. Like we paid for our new roof a few weeks ago, cost £3,500, whereas if we'd been on pension credit we could have had it done for free.

    Margaret Clare
    • shykins
    • By shykins 7th Jul 06, 3:46 PM
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    i had a visit from the warmfront people and they did agree to fit draughproofing but didnt even look at the boiler,, they did say if it broke down i could likely get it replaced but its not broken just extremely old and not efficient

    is there another grant or something available that would cover upgrading even if isnt broken or are these places u mention jus different areas name for the same scheme??

    we claim WTC and i am on Incapacity benefit and hopefully DLA when they get round to looking at my claim

    thanks
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 7th Jul 06, 6:44 PM
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    Hi shykins

    What happened to us was that my DH mentioned that he couldn't reduce the heat on the boiler - the thermostat had stuck, and he was loth to meddle with it because if a part broke, he hadn't another part to replace it with. The assessor immediately added 'heating repair' to his list of jobs to be done. He said if DH hadn't mentioned the stuck thermostat, he wouldn't have put it down. You have to say that something is wrong! Didn't they leave you with some paperwork at the time of the assessor's visit - there's a phone number on that and a reference number. Get on the phone to them and tell them what you told us!

    Margaret Clare
  • flikkerty
    Another grant known as 'magic boiler' - discount on a variety of new boilers. Can get it in Birmingham I don't know about elsewhere. Worth investigating on the internet, I can't remember how I found it, but I found the info out on the internet.
    • shykins
    • By shykins 8th Jul 06, 8:00 AM
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    they did leave paperwork as u say and i did tell the lady it was very old and rickety and had broken down a couple months before but she said unless its completely broken they cant do anything

    perhaps iwill ring them again tho and explain more fully about its faults

    thanks
    x
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 8th Jul 06, 9:16 AM
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    they did leave paperwork as u say and i did tell the lady it was very old and rickety and had broken down a couple months before but she said unless its completely broken they cant do anything
    by shykins
    This is different from the experience we had - the assessor called last Monday and spent a long time looking at everything, up in the loft, was very thorough.

    Our boiler is 14 years old and is working - it's just that the thermostat is stuck and we'd like to reduce the water temperature but we can't. DH explained to the assessor that he's a mechanical engineer but not a heating engineer and wouldn't like to try to move it unless he had a replacement part if it broke. The assessor said 'fair enough, because you've told me that something is wrong with it I'll put down "heating repair", if you hadn't mentioned it I'd have said "boiler 14 years old but in working order" I'll ask a heating engineer to come round and say what needs doing'.

    We explained that we'd already looked at the possibility of getting our system upgraded/new boiler to modern standards, but that the roof had needed doing first. We told him that even if the heating engineer said the present boiler was repairable we would probably still go ahead and replace it, but not this year - it would be next year's 'big project', but we need to save for it.

    DH saves approx £200 every month when his next lot of state pension arrives in his bank - that's what he has left over at the end of every 4-week period. He transfers it into his cash ISA, and that was what paid for the tiles. I paid the rest of the roof repair from my cash ISA - we now need to repair our savings before anything else comes along.

    Margaret Clare
  • Dustangle
    Do you need to be claiming a benefit to get a central heating grant in Scotland if you're an OAP?
    by lilac_lady
    No. This is a Scottish Executive programme, separate from the Warm Deal.

    To qualify for the Central Heating Programme, householders may be eligible for a grant if they meet the following criteria:

    You must be aged 60 or over

    You must be resident in Scotland and own your own home, or have a tenancy agreement with a private sector landlord.*

    NB: Local Authority and Housing Association Tenants should apply directly to their landlord.

    You must have been resident at the address of application for a period of 12 months prior to the date of application and intend to occupy the dwelling for a minimum of 12 months from the date on which the works are completed. This must be your main or only residence.

    Your home must be self contained and have no central heating, i.e there must not be heating to two or more rooms which are linked to a central boiler, coal fire, or electric off peak tariff.

    OR

    Your existing central heating system must be completely broken and beyond repair. You must agree to the complete package of measures being installed in your home where appropriate and must accept that the final decision on the type of heating to be installed in the property will be made by the Managing Agent, Eaga Partnership.

    Your home must not be subject of any order of resolution, which may lead to it's demolition. You must not have previously claimed a grant at this address under the Central Heating Programme.

    Extension to Central Heating Programme for Over 80s

    Applicants aged 80 and over with a partial or inefficient (generally over 20 years old) heating system may now apply to have a full or replacement heating system fitted. Applicants must own or privately rent their home, have lived there for over 12 months, reside in Scotland and the home must not be subject to a demolition order.

    For more information on the Central Heating Programme, please contact 0800 316 1653 or email Scotland.enquiries@eaga.co.uk
  • Dustangle
    It would appear that you need to be claiming some benefits, I'll move your post over to the Silver Savers Board where there is a current thread on these grants
    by Edinburghlass
    No you don't if you live in Scotland.
    • margaretclare
    • By margaretclare 8th Jul 06, 1:30 PM
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    You must be aged 60 or over....

    .....Your existing central heating system must be completely broken and beyond repair. You must agree to the complete package of measures being installed in your home where appropriate and must accept that the final decision on the type of heating to be installed in the property will be made by the Managing Agent, Eaga Partnership.
    So in Scotland, it's purely the fact of being 60 or over, nothing to do with claiming any benefits whether means-tested or disability-related, which is the case in England.

    It's still down to someone else's say-so, isn't it? As above, the final decision on the type of system is down to 'the Managing Agent of the EAGA Partnership'. And what happens if the system is assessed as being repairable at one stage and then it happens to break down in the middle of winter (Scotland is a bit colder than where we live on the Thames Estuary!)

    The assessor who came on Monday said 'you have done the right thing in setting this process in motion now, in midsummer. Too many people wait until December!'

    I told him, I have the most horrible memories 14 years ago of arriving home from working in the Middle East, stepping on to a plane at Jeddah at 40C, arriving back 2 weeks before Christmas to find that the ancient boiler had packed up completely, was condemned as dangerous, and all I wanted was a hot bath and a warm bed - I didn't get either! The difficulties I had trying to get a replacement boiler in mid-December, alone, widowed, unemployed and freezing cold, was something I don't ever want to risk again. Thank goodness for the money I'd earned in Saudi - it all went on that replacement boiler, but it does explain why I'm still keen on saving even now.

    Margaret Clare
  • lilac_lady
    My aunt lives in Scotland so I'll try and get things moving now. She is just above the income for claiming anything (a very small works pension puts her over the limit). She doesn't get anything for nothing so this is a bonus for her. She's never married, worked hard all her days, paid her taxes so I'll persuade her that it's ok for her to accept this. (hopefully).
    " The greatest wealth is to live content with little."

    Plato


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