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Old 29-11-2009, 6:22 PM
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Default King size mattress, questions again, please help!

Hello all,

Iím looking to buy a king-sized mattress to replace a 8-year old Sleepeeze Ortholux 800 pocket sprung mattress which is well overdue a replacement.


Iíve visited Dreams, and the most comfortable we came up with was a Slumberland Morecambe at £549 (1400 pocket sprung, with memory foam top), as usual in these places this was a special clearance only offer (web site shows £949).

After browsing through pages and pages on the forum, Iím now more confused than ever, apart from the constant advice to stay away from the big name shops.

So, today we visited a local bed specialist. We really liked a mattress made by Breasley, and sold under the brand name of Salus. It was a memory pocket 1200+. However, once home I wanted to check it was a fair price so looked on the internet to compare costs, but couldnít find this model anywhere. Has anyone come across one of these before, or indeed does anyone have one and would they recommend?

Basic spec is 1200 pocket springs
75mm of memory foam
No turn
5 year guarantee

Last question, what's wrong with reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs as Iíve seen negative comments about these and Iím not sure if the mattress we like does or does not have them?

Thank you
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Old 30-11-2009, 11:19 PM
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Iíve now been told it may also been known as a Breasley / Salus Coolsleep memory 1200. Hopefully this may help!
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Breasley mattresses get very mixed reviews. Some like them, and some hate them.

Breasley pocket sprung mattresses do contain the reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs. The problems with reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs are as follows:
  • The springs are usually much smaller than the full size steel pocket springs, and don't give anywhere near the support of the full size springs. You wouldn't be able to vacuum pack and roll up full size steel pocket springs without damaging them.
  • I'm not sure what type are in Breasley mattresses, but reflex foam encapsulated springs aren't allways even made from steel. I've seen them made from plastic, and even some are barrel shaped foam springs (I supposed the word spring can be used for any springy material).
  • Due to the springs being encapsulated in reflex foam, this prevents air circulating around the spring layer to dissipate the heat, and keep the mattress well ventilated.
  • The reason this type of spring system seems to be used is so that they can call it a pocket sprung and memory foam mattress. However they give no better support or ventilation that a reflex foam/memory foam mattress.
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Old 29-12-2009, 12:06 PM
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Paul -tried to PM you but wont allow me- I have a salus memory pocket 1200. cost me 600 new about 9 days ago - slept on it for 2 nights - 1 of which i used a topper.
Problem for me is that my husband has herniated discs and and other problems with his spine and now needs a specialist bed that is going to cost us over 3k.
I bought this mattress as like a "last try" before having to pay out over 3k but he just cannot sleep on it - although i love it.
Its firm and in brand new condiditon still with corner protectors still on, so if you wanted a bargain please get in contact asap.
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I was also told the salus collection was/is not sold on the internet which may be why you cant find one to compare
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I was also told the salus collection was/is not sold on the internet which may be why you cant find one to compare
Who told you that.....the sales rep in the shop?
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I'm in a similar situation to the OP. I've also been looking around for a king size and came across the Salus range at a local independent only this afternoon. I'd never heard of them and the salesman told me Salus won't allow their products to be sold online. I've found buying a bed is like manoeuvering through a maze but I do feel slightly more educated after reading through the threads here. A good bed is going to be an investment and we don't want to make a costly mistake. Thanks due to Tim Deegan. Are Salus beds definitely made by Breasley and do they definitely use the undesirable latex foam encapsulated pocket springs?
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I'm in a similar situation to the OP. I've also been looking around for a king size and came across the Salus range at a local independent only this afternoon. I'd never heard of them and the salesman told me Salus won't allow their products to be sold online. I've found buying a bed is like manoeuvering through a maze but I do feel slightly more educated after reading through the threads here. A good bed is going to be an investment and we don't want to make a costly mistake. Thanks due to Tim Deegan. Are Salus beds definitely made by Breasley and do they definitely use the undesirable latex foam encapsulated pocket springs?
They are available on line if you search. They are made by Beasley, and yes they do contain reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs.
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They are available on line if you search. They are made by Beasley, and yes they do contain reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs.
Thanks Tim. I had been looking at Sleepeezee Visco Supreme or Pocket Visco as alternatives, but after reading threads here, not so sure now. Any advice welcome?! I'm happy to buy online but feel the need to try in a shop first and most shops seem only to stock the well known brands.

I'd already decided to avoid Dreams as IMO their strategy seems to be to con customers into thinking they've got a good deal so I've been looking at a local independent dealer with about half a dozen shops in my area only - www.sleepingsolutions.co.uk

I'm sure you've done this many times, but please could you explain the benefits/difference between memory foam vs latex foam?

Thanks
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Thanks Tim. I had been looking at Sleepeezee Visco Supreme or Pocket Visco as alternatives, but after reading threads here, not so sure now. Any advice welcome?! I'm happy to buy online but feel the need to try in a shop first and most shops seem only to stock the well known brands.

I'd already decided to avoid Dreams as IMO their strategy seems to be to con customers into thinking they've got a good deal so I've been looking at a local independent dealer with about half a dozen shops in my area only - www.sleepingsolutions.co.uk

I'm sure you've done this many times, but please could you explain the benefits/difference between memory foam vs latex foam?

Thanks
Even Sleeping Solutions say the following on their web site:
We know testing beds in high street showrooms is not only embarrassing but also seriously flawed.
A five-minute test, wrapped in your raincoat, staring face up at the ceiling, with an eager sales person hovering over you, does not help you find your ideal bed!
I also notice that they also only sell mattresses made by big brand names, except for their own brand. It would be worth finding out who actually makes their own brand mattresses.


Memory foam and latex both give very similar levels of support, but actually have a completely different feel. Latex has quite a lot of bounce, but memory foam absorbs any bounce. In fact my 5 year old son gets the right hump when he tries to bounce on my pocket sprung/memory foam mattress because he can't.
Latex is cooler than memory foam, and is a natural product, but it is also more expensive.
If you are looking for a mattress that contains latex foam then beware, as many mattresses that contain latex foam only contain a thin layer, and in many it is only in some areas of the mattress. Ideally you need a 2" layer covering the whole sleeping surface (on both sides of the mattress if you can find one).
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Tim

I have read the posts on SALUS matresses and am now confused.
I know you have prossibly answered this before but.
We are looking at a SALUS memory 1200 and asked specifically if the springs were encased in foam and was told they were not. There is foam around the edges and 2" mem foam on top, but the springs were not encased and were metal.
They also stated the matresses ar not rolled.
Looking at the Beasley site, not much info. How can I find out the actual make up for the matress? The shop concerned is a small outfit and not a main chain.

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Tim

I have read the posts on SALUS matresses and am now confused.
I know you have prossibly answered this before but.
We are looking at a SALUS memory 1200 and asked specifically if the springs were encased in foam and was told they were not. There is foam around the edges and 2" mem foam on top, but the springs were not encased and were metal.
They also stated the matresses ar not rolled.
Looking at the Beasley site, not much info. How can I find out the actual make up for the matress? The shop concerned is a small outfit and not a main chain.
Whoever told you that they aren't reflex foam encapsulated springs was wrong. Have a look at the label here which actually says that they say 'encapsulated in high resillient foam' which actually means the same thing.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=160390639923

As far as them being rolled up or not, it's difficult to find out as they don't appear to have a web site.

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Salus are NOT on the internet, that's meant to be one of their selling points. I was on their stand at the NEC for the bed show just this Sunday. They do not want their products on the internet, they want customers to try the product in store.

Salus matts are not roll packed, yes some Bresley ones are but Salus are not.
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If Salus finds out that their products are being sold online, they will close down the account with that retailer and quite rightly too.
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Salus are NOT on the internet, that's meant to be one of their selling points. I was on their stand at the NEC for the bed show just this Sunday. They do not want their products on the internet, they want customers to try the product in store.

Salus matts are not roll packed, yes some Bresley ones are but Salus are not.
There are many companies who don't sell their products on the internet, but they do provide information about construction and specifications on line. It would be a good idea if they did this, because otherwise it looks like they have something to hide.
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Not really, they are aiming at the higher end of the market. Nice show rooms, staff that are knowledgeable (unlike my spelling), good looking product. Giving customers the choice of comfort in store experience, i.e trying the beds. They don't think that you can buy a bed online, especially at the prices they are charging for the product. That's Salus's view, not necessary mine.

There are loads of differant products on sale that you can't get full specs on. The motor used in most vaccum cleaners, which element in a kettle etc.... Why should Salus allow the competition to know the full spec of thier products? Does KFC give away the reciepe for their Chicken covering? hmmmmm nope...etc..
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Also to add just because 1 Brand is owned by another it doesn't mean that it's the same people building the product. Silentnight have different staff and products to Sealy. Gainsborough have differant staff and products to Airsprung.

It doesn't mean that just because 1 Brand is not good in the Company the rest are all bad apples!
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Not really, they are aiming at the higher end of the market. Nice show rooms, staff that are knowledgeable (unlike my spelling), good looking product. Giving customers the choice of comfort in store experience, i.e trying the beds. They don't think that you can buy a bed online, especially at the prices they are charging for the product. That's Salus's view, not necessary mine.

There are loads of differant products on sale that you can't get full specs on. The motor used in most vaccum cleaners, which element in a kettle etc.... Why should Salus allow the competition to know the full spec of thier products? Does KFC give away the reciepe for their Chicken covering? hmmmmm nope...etc..
Well many people who buy in shops still do research on line.

As for giving out specs, if they aren't even giving out basic specs, then possible buyers won't be able to compare them to anything else.

As for trade secrets, how often do you think manufacturers of any product just buy one of their competitions products and then take it apart? It happend all the time.

Usually if the spec of a mattress is witheld, then it's because they have something to hide. Sleep to Live are a perfect example of this.
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Also to add just because 1 Brand is owned by another it doesn't mean that it's the same people building the product. Silentnight have different staff and products to Sealy. Gainsborough have differant staff and products to Airsprung.

It doesn't mean that just because 1 Brand is not good in the Company the rest are all bad apples!
That all depends on how much control the group has.
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Salus don't hide anything, go into a shop that sells them, and anyone can see the spec for themselves.

When most people say research they really mean I'm going to price compare.

Lets post no more about this, we've hijacked the thread enough.
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