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Old 11-06-2006, 2:36 AM
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Hi all,
We have a strange drain for our kitchen, basically the pipe from the kitchen sink ends up outside in a hole with a only a grate and wood board protecting it. The house is quite old. We call it the "hole".

Now the "hole" is now blocked. I am surprised this did not block earlier, you can find all sort of things in the "hole" snails, leaves, kitchen waste etc. I am not sure what kind of people I should call to have this fixed (plumber or drain unblocking company such as dynorod) , or if it's a matter for the water provider?

Am I better off insuring myself against this somehow, and if yes has anyone got any suggestion?

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Old 11-06-2006, 6:55 AM
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The cheapest thing to start with would be to pour a kettle of boiling water down the 'hole' . Often fat from the kitchen sink congeals and blocks things up.

Another free think would be to ram the hosepipe (no end attachments) down the 'hole' see if the water pressure removes the blockage.

Any idea where the holes goes? to a sewer, soak away or septic?

If you know this you could ram the hose from the manhole cover back towards the hole.

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Old 11-06-2006, 7:08 AM
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The cheapest thing to start with would be to pour a kettle of boiling water down the 'hole' . Often fat from the kitchen sink congeals and blocks things up.

Another free think would be to ram the hosepipe (no end attachments) down the 'hole' see if the water pressure removes the blockage.

Any idea where the holes goes? to a sewer, soak away or septic?

If you know this you could ram the hose from the manhole cover back towards the hole.

All these things are free, before you call the experts.......
if this dosen't work try caustic soda .
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Old 11-06-2006, 8:24 AM
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Bloackage mostly caused by built up of fat etc passed the said "hole". Try to reach inside hol;e and clear all debirs (unpleasant by that might save you money). If this does not work, try to find the main inspection manhole (covered by a large metal plate), mine is between my hole and the end of the yard towards the street. This will allow you to confirm flow or no flow or little flow. Get your hose pipe from that end up towards your hole and flush, push, shove.
If this does not work, spend £15 for a set of plumbing rods and do the same. It worked for me.This will unblock any small blockage and same you a small fortune.

A very unpleasant job but.......£££££££££
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Old 11-06-2006, 10:32 AM
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I just had a similar problem which, touch wood, I resolved yesterday.

It's a filthy job, but I cleared as much of the muck as possible, and jetted it with a power washer. Job done - for now.
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Old 11-06-2006, 10:51 AM
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One tip is to attach your hose to the top of a two litre pop bottle and cut a hole in the base. This provides a better fit when it is pushed into the larger 'hole'. Useful on blocked toilets as well.

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Old 11-06-2006, 4:33 PM
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Try to remedy it yourself before calling in someone like dynorod 'cos they charge a small fortune.
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Old 11-06-2006, 8:20 PM
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I had exactly the same problem

FREE SOLUTION: put on the marigolds, then put your entire arm inside a strong black bin liner, reach down and start unblocking it with your hand, pulling out the gunk slowly. As face is near the drain, scarf round mouth might be needed.

VERY CHEAP SOLUTION: Soda crystals (66p I think from Savers ) down the drain with boiling water

CHEAP SOLUTION: Caustic Soda from homebase or local DIY store ... non brand of course. I can't remember the price ... less than £2 I think

NOT SO CHEAP SOLUTION: drain/chimney sweeping kit £20

EXPENSIVE SOLUTION: Calling someone out... seriously this shouldn't be necessary

LONG TERM SOLUTION: tell the household that fat belongs in the bin, tea leaves in the compost, food stuff belong in the compost or the bin and NOT down the sink. Put a mesh, better drain cover over the drain outside, leaves shouldn't be getting in.

hope some of that helps.

P.s. ... I tried all of the above except paying someone to come out, ..... do you want to know which one was best? The free one

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Old 11-06-2006, 10:02 PM
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If your house was built before 1900 then your water board are liable for blocked drains. I found this out a couple of months ago when our drains blocked and I couldn't unblock them no matter what I did. Someone on this site kindly told me all about this strange little loophole.
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Old 12-06-2006, 12:52 AM
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Our house has the same set up as yours only without the wooden board. When ours got blocked I just pulled all the leaves and dead snails out of the grate while wearing rubber gloves. Then I shoved a broomhandle down the drain. Then I ran the hot top for a few minutes and it was actually draining OK but I tipped some drain cleaner down there for good measure. I had already had the drain cleaner, which was a mix of caustic soda and iron filings bought from the pound shop, left over from when the bath wasn't draining.
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Old 12-06-2006, 6:53 AM
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well mr 1974, tried anything yet?
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Old 12-06-2006, 1:26 PM
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I knew I had to come here before anything else. Thank you all guys for the incredibly useful (and moneysaving ;-) ) suggestions.

I am ill now and cannot try anything, but will go as per the suggestions, cheapest to most expensive when I feel better. Also some education is needed in the house on what should/should not go down the drain, to avoid this happening again.

When you say fat should go in the bin, what kind of fat are we talking about? What about cooking oil?
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Old 12-06-2006, 1:31 PM
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Do you know how to find out when my house was built btw
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Cooking oil is evil, you should pour it over old newspapers and chuck it in the bin.
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If your house was built before 1900 then your water board are liable for blocked drains. I found this out a couple of months ago when our drains blocked and I couldn't unblock them no matter what I did. Someone on this site kindly told me all about this strange little loophole.
I believe your house needs to be built before 1937 to determine who's responsible for the drains.

Mine was built approx 1938 :rolleyes: I called the Council to find out the exact year and was told they don't keep a record of when houses were built, only of when they were sold over the years. :confused:
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I knew I had to come here before anything else. Thank you all guys for the incredibly useful (and moneysaving ;-) ) suggestions.

I am ill now and cannot try anything, but will go as per the suggestions, cheapest to most expensive when I feel better. Also some education is needed in the house on what should/should not go down the drain, to avoid this happening again.

When you say fat should go in the bin, what kind of fat are we talking about? What about cooking oil?
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Most every time you wash the dishes, some fat will no doubt be present, so it's hard to avoid completely.
But avoid draining the cooked mince beef fat down the sink for example. Wipe out the frying pan with some kitchen roll, before washing. that kind of stuff.
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When you say fat should go in the bin, what kind of fat are we talking about? What about cooking oil?
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All oil and fat should go in the bin. After a roast dinner or frying anything whether in a frying pan or pan or casserole dish I use either;

1) Kitchen towel for a thin layer of fat.. just use your hand like a spatula and the fats in the bin in one swish ... or

2) Big soft spatula for thicker layers of fat... this is really good for the roast potatoes tin when the fat solidifies.
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Old 15-06-2006, 10:19 PM
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The illustration here shows how sewers on properties built before 1st Oct 1937 can be regarded as public. The drains leading to the main sewer are all private. No 16 is all private, I tried to come up with a reason for this and decided it must be from the point that 2 or more houses drain into, hence No.16 has no public sewerage.

Sounds to me like the OP's problem is to do with his private drain irrespective of when his house was built. But of course if the problem has been caused by a blocked main sewer (unlikely) which has backed up to his kitchen drain then it's possible if before 1937 the sewer is public.

I also clean my drains by hand, regularly, I don't bother with gloves & bin liners etc, I just go ahead and do it, and wash my hands afterwards, then i throw a couple of full buckets of water down the drain to clean it out, like a toilet flush.

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Old 18-06-2006, 8:30 PM
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guys/gals i have just found that i have a blocked drain similar to mr1974's drain, i have tried the old trick with the kitchen glove and a black bin liner and see if you can unblock it well it kind of worked as the water level went down, froom what i could feel the drain goes down and then goes away from the house which i find odd, anyone else got any ideas, should i leave for a bit, its not worth pouring a kettle of boiling water down it as that would bring the level up again

ps the house was built around 1979ish
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guys/gals i have just found that i have a blocked drain similar to mr1974's drain, i have tried the old trick with the kitchen glove and a black bin liner and see if you can unblock it well it kind of worked as the water level went down, froom what i could feel the drain goes down and then goes away from the house which i find odd, anyone else got any ideas, should i leave for a bit, its not worth pouring a kettle of boiling water down it as that would bring the level up again

ps the house was built around 1979ish

You should have an U bend in the drain really to trap the dirt. But your description suggests you don't. so go to a DI store and ask for a set of drain rods.

But before you begin you should try to find out where the drain goes, does it go to a soakaway? if so there is every chance the whole pipe/soakaway has become blocked.

Does it go to the sewer? if so is there an inspection chamber nearby? lift the lid and have a look, the blockage could begin here or further downstream. you want to find where the blockage begins before you start proding.
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