Tenant Fees - Infuriating

Naf wrote: »

Therefore screw anyone who wasn't born in the "right" place, or didn't inherit money, or a million other things which are entirely not their fault? There's a theoretical possibility for them to become a millionnaire, so that makes everything fair?

State welfare might as well just buy everyone a lottery ticket twice a week and leave it at that, huh?

DavidF wrote: »

All this arrogance towards the poor by the upper middle classes and above has come back to bite them in the backside in the past and will do so again. Come the revolution I think many letting agents and landlords will be dressing up as renters to escape the chop:eek: until then "they" win.

Naf wrote: »

On paper it may look that way, but in reality its simply not true.

EDIT: Its like sitting on the side of the swimming pool, watching someone get pushed in the deep end, and telling them, "the steps are over there", then blaming them when they don't climb out.

Naf wrote: »

I'm talking about the vast diufference in opportunity for basic living standards between the rich and poor.

I disagree, the opportunity for 'basic living standards' is afforded to everyone. What you're saying is that some people are more easily afforded this.


I never said it is.

apologies, that's the message I was getting


I've also never said anyone is at fault. In fact, thats precisely my point, isn't it! Just because some vague tiny possibility exists that people might be able to catch the right piece of luck doesn't make everything fair.


But who says life should be fair?

Your definition of fair - that's not what i said. I said life isn't fair is that the same obstacles are in everybody's way, ignoring the fact that everybody's capability to overcome those obstacles is completely different. - But that's what life is. Not everyone will be a CEO, or a surgeon or a footballer. But everyone has the opportunity to have a nice life. My definition is that everybody should have the same recourse to things to help them overcome those obstacles. - They do. Everyone is entitled to all the support packages and more, which I mentioned earlier. Some people will still manage further/higher/faster goals - but everybody has to be able to accomplish enough to keep living. - They do. Please can you tell me where this isn't true in the law or the system




No, there really isn't; thats the point I'm attempting to make. A chance exists, and it effectively comes down to exactly that, luck. Thats fine when it comes to striking it rich, but not when it comes to being able to live a decent life. - Can you highlight some examples?




no, no it's not. You're still only prepared to focus on people who have refused to help themselves at some point. Aside from the obvious callousness of cutting people off based on singular decisions made as a youth, you're still avoiding the very real issue that many people are in these situations through absolutely no fault of their own.