Ford Ecoboost - engine failure

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  • forgotmyname
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    Its all about what to look and listen for. I pulled away from a set of lights rather quickly and as i checked my rear view mirror i spotted a cloud of smoke.

    Its a diesel so this can sometimes happen, but i didn't just carry on, i pulled over and checked it just in case. A bypass hose on the waterpump had popped off. I could have thought nothing of the cloud which was just steam as the water escaped.

    Another thing is when the engine gets hotter than normal you should be able to smell it.

    There will be a lot of warning signs if you know what to look for. But these days i reckon the average driver wont even know howto open the bonnet.
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  • Strider590
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    Its all about what to look and listen for. I pulled away from a set of lights rather quickly and as i checked my rear view mirror i spotted a cloud of smoke.

    Its a diesel so this can sometimes happen, but i didn't just carry on, i pulled over and checked it just in case. A bypass hose on the waterpump had popped off. I could have thought nothing of the cloud which was just steam as the water escaped.

    Another thing is when the engine gets hotter than normal you should be able to smell it.

    There will be a lot of warning signs if you know what to look for. But these days i reckon the average driver wont even know howto open the bonnet.


    And that's exactly what the industry has been working towards, ultimately making cars as disposable white goods.
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  • System
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    Strider590 wrote: »
    It has become clear to me that unlike other makes, Ford don't build their cars to last even 1000 miles more than they're designed for.

    I have a Mondeo and the build quality and attention to detail is sorely lacking when compared to my old Vectra. Even stupid things like not designing proper covers for access to the tail lights via the boot, not having seatbelts that are held out of the way when dropping the rear seats forward, a great big hole just in front of the drivers seat containing a channel for cables where once stepped on the carpet gets ripped up, and under the hood plastic clips/screws holding everything in place, very easily broken/damaged.

    What? Cars are typically designed for 10 years/100,000 miles. There are a plethora of Fords well and truly over that.

    You have a Mondeo yet claim there aren't proper covers to access the tail lights via the boot? Which model of Mondeo is that because I've owned a MK1, MK3 and MK4 and they've all had access covers in the boot to allow you to change the bulbs. I've had the interiors completely out of my MK3 and MK4 to fit amateur radio gear and there is NOT a channel in front of the drivers seat for cabling, I actually wish there were because I'd have used it to route the cabling for the microphone and antenna controller. I've not had my carpets ripped and the last Mondeo I sold, my MK3, had over 165k on the clock. Likewise on both my last Mondeo and my current one which stands at 118,000 miles, non of the plastic clips under the bonnet have broken. The only clips I've had break are a couple of the yellow plastic ones on the rear arch trim but given how many times I've had it in and out and the amount of wiring I've put behind it it isn't a surprise.

    Makes me wonder just how you treat your car. I'm far from careful with mine so I dare to think what you're like.
    The only complaint you have in your post with any validity is the seatbelt but that isn't a sole trait of Ford.
  • Robisere
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    In most cases, I would have supported Ford. Fords I have had over the years : Escorts, (all marks) Cortinas, (all marks) Capris, (including a 3.1 RS, what bliss!) Sierras, Granadas, Focus (I & III) and now a C-Max, my second. I have had just 3 Vauxhalls and each one was a PITA. Only one Ford gave me problems, solved by an Auto Electrician.

    I am a Motor engineer (retired) and I would not have one of any Ford cars with the small, "Eco-Boost" engines. Neither would I recommend anyone else to buy one.
    I think this job really needs
    a much bigger hammer.
  • Strider590
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    Tarambor wrote: »
    Which model of Mondeo is that because I've owned a MK1, MK3 and MK4 and they've all had access covers in the boot to allow you to change the bulbs.

    MK4 2009.....

    Yes it has access, but it's basically shaped bits of carpet shoved into a gap, I mean how sh*t is that? The bulb holder itself, one fragile clip holding it in. At least the Vectra had proper access hatches. The Vectra also had provision to keep the seatbelts in place when pushing the rear seats forward, but the Mondeo you've got to faff about pulling them out of the way before pushing them back into position. Under the bonnet, cheap cable ties and plastic clips everywhere, even the airbox isn't bolted down.
    You open the boot after rain and you get a shower because some moron put drainage holes in a stupid place.
    I've never seen a car where the metal screws/bolts were of such poor quality that they're rusting like it's a 20 year old car.

    It's all about the details and i'm sorry, but Fords European cars are truly terrible.
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  • photome
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    Robisere wrote: »
    In most cases, I would have supported Ford. Fords I have had over the years : Escorts, (all marks) Cortinas, (all marks) Capris, (including a 3.1 RS, what bliss!) Sierras, Granadas, Focus (I & III) and now a C-Max, my second. I have had just 3 Vauxhalls and each one was a PITA. Only one Ford gave me problems, solved by an Auto Electrician.

    I am a Motor engineer (retired) and I would not have one of any Ford cars with the small, "Eco-Boost" engines. Neither would I recommend anyone else to buy one.

    Re the eco boost...Why not?
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    Strider590 wrote: »
    MK4 2009.....

    Yes it has access, but it's basically shaped bits of carpet shoved into a gap, I mean how sh*t is that? The bulb holder itself, one fragile clip holding it in. Under the bonnet, cheap cable ties and plastic clips everywhere, even the airbox isn't bolted down.
    You open the boot after rain and you get a shower because some moron put drainage holes in a stupid place.
    I've never seen a car where the metal screws/bolts were of such poor quality that they're rusting like it's a 20 year old car.
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    So its exactly the same car I have. No idea how a shaped cover is "a bit of carpet shoved into a gap" just because its made to match the rest of the boot trim. The clip holding the light in place isn't fragile and there's actually two of them. Not seen any cable ties under the bonnet of mine and a plastic clip is no worse than a metal one which can rust. The airbox is bolted down on mine. Neither are the screws and bolts on the car rusting any more than any other vehicle I've owned.

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    Sounds like you bought a dog or given your posts on here wrecked it yourself and are blaming the car for your own inability.
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    I HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM !

    4 yrs old 42 k warped engine block leading to coolant leaking into cylinders preventing the car starting. But not at every start, it could go several days absolutely fine with no smoke from exhaust, but then it just wouldn't start. They took the turbo off and pressurised the coolant and they could see it leaking out.

    This has been an ongoing problem since Dec 2016 and it took main dealer garage 6 times to root cause it.

    I could give you chapter and verse on the details, but all I can say is push Ford customers services hard and you should get a contribution from them.

    Tim... please private message me we should talk...
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    I found this Facebook group this evening... it's very revealing....

    Ford Focus EcoBoost 1.0L Turbo Zetec Faulty Coolant Pipe Engine Head Gasket
    Peace.
  • Strider590
    Strider590 Posts: 11,874 Forumite
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    Tarambor wrote: »
    So its exactly the same car I have. No idea how a shaped cover is "a bit of carpet shoved into a gap" just because its made to match the rest of the boot trim. The clip holding the light in place isn't fragile and there's actually two of them. Not seen any cable ties under the bonnet of mine and a plastic clip is no worse than a metal one which can rust. The airbox is bolted down on mine. Neither are the screws and bolts on the car rusting any more than any other vehicle I've owned.

    Go on then, remove your airbox, it'll soon become obvious...... It's only held by friction and the hoses. But to remove it there is a cable tied just above the front mount, which needs to be cut away to prevent damage.
    The air intake tubing is also friction mounted into the duct in front of the radiator, it's then had a ring of grey foam shoved in to fill any gaps.

    The shaped pieces of carpet that literally hold in place with friction, what a bodge.
    I'll tell you the Vectra had a proper cover, hinged with a catch.

    The light, I was talking about the bulb holder for the tail light, that actually rattles around because it's only held at it's central point.

    Cable ties can be found holding the wiring loom in most locations under the hood.

    Additional to all that, I spotted something else that bothers me with the rear wheel ABS sensors, I noticed the corrugated sleeving has shrunk exposing the wires and just looks like someone didn't give two sh*ts when it was built.

    Now if you one of these people who never really touched anything on their own car, I could understand your reaction, however I notice this stuff.
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