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MSE News: 100,000s may need new passport to visit US after rule change

Hundreds of thousands of UK passport holders may no longer be able to fly to the USA under the ESTA visa-waiver scheme following a change in the rules, figures obtained by MoneySavingExpert.com under the Freedom of Information Act reveal....
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  • danielthomark
    danielthomark Posts: 55 Forumite
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    "Alternatively, you could apply for a tourism visa from the US Embassy, but this is likely to take longer (3-6 weeks) and cost more ($160 - about £114)."

    A word of warning - Do NOT do this if you are working age and do not require one.

    It will most likely be denied, and as such your denial will mean you cannot use ESTA for about a year, as the denial will trigger this question

    "Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa or entry into the U.S. or had a U.S. visa cancelled on your current or previous passport?"

    Prior to 9/11 the B2 visa was relatively easy to obtain if you wished to stay in the US for up to 6 months at a time, now they are not.
  • MABLE
    MABLE Posts: 4,238 Forumite
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    It was all there for the reading and I double checked mine for travel in January of this year.
  • Pincher
    Pincher Posts: 6,552 Forumite
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    The passport office is probably under-staffed as usual.


    It's May, what a time to start a rush for applying for new passports.
  • duchy
    duchy Posts: 19,511 Forumite
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    Bit late there's already a thread about this (plus an earlier one from some people affected last month) perhaps these threads could be merged
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  • madein83
    madein83 Posts: 86 Forumite
    Quote from article

    "Alternatively, you could apply for a tourism visa from the US Embassy, but this is likely to take longer (3-6 weeks) and cost more ($160 - about £114)."

    A word of warning - Do NOT do this if you are working age and do not require one.

    It will most likely be denied, and as such your denial will mean you cannot use ESTA for about a year, as the denial will trigger this question

    "Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa or entry into the U.S. or had a U.S. visa cancelled on your current or previous passport?"

    Prior to 9/11 the B2 visa was relatively easy to obtain if you wished to stay in the US for up to 6 months at a time, now they are not.


    Is this from personal experience?

    That's not my experience. Both myself and a friend of mine (aged 33 and 45, respectively) obtained a B1/B2 visa from the US Embassy in London last year. No problems at all.

    Both UK citizens, btw.
  • danielthomark
    danielthomark Posts: 55 Forumite
    There is a major difference between a B1 and a B2.
  • madein83
    madein83 Posts: 86 Forumite
    There is a major difference between a B1 and a B2.

    The only difference is that one is for tourism, one is for business. My visa is a COMBINED B1/B2, so I can enter the US for either tourism or business purposes.
  • danielthomark
    danielthomark Posts: 55 Forumite
    The difficulty is the B2, not the B1. There are examples of refusals out there, usually "insufficient ties" or "no need to come for longer than 3 months" (paraphrasing there).

    Pre 9/11 the B2 was relatively painless to get - a few companies did seasonaire holidays in the US, so required every guest to have B2s so they could stay for 5 months during the ski season. I don't believe any companies operated these sort of holidays in the US now.

    The problem then lies in the refusal means failing esta for around a year.

    No-ones stopping people from applying, but personally I like to state the downside.
  • madein83
    madein83 Posts: 86 Forumite
    The difficulty is the B2, not the B1. There are examples of refusals out there, usually "insufficient ties" or "no need to come for longer than 3 months" (paraphrasing there).

    Pre 9/11 the B2 was relatively painless to get - a few companies did seasonaire holidays in the US, so required every guest to have B2s so they could stay for 5 months during the ski season. I don't believe any companies operated these sort of holidays in the US now.

    The problem then lies in the refusal means failing esta for around a year.

    No-ones stopping people from applying, but personally I like to state the downside.

    I understand, but that's not my experience. Saying that someone is likely to get denied may be the case for some or even the majority, but it's certainly not the case for everyone.

    The US Embassy in London approved both myself and a friend - two separate applications judged by two different embassy agents - around a year ago. So it's a relatively recent experience that's worth noting to anyone reading this thread, and deciding whether it applies to them or not.

    The joint B1/B2 allows exactly the same privileges as "just" the B1 or B2, except that the stay can be either business or pleasure. If B2 is the problem, apply the combined visa. It's the same difference to tourist visitors.

    From my experience, this is relatively trivial to get. I have plenty of overseas friends who have to get one, because their country of citizenship isn't a member of the VWP.

    Again, maybe my application and that of my friend is an outlier here, but we have the visa in our respective passports so it's certainly NOT a blanket refusal.

    Just balancing the experience.
  • madein83
    madein83 Posts: 86 Forumite
    It might also be worth pointing to the source of your experience. Was this an application you applied for recently and got denied? Are these people you know personally who applied and got refused? Do you work for the embassy? etc.

    I'm not saying my experience is right for everyone - just trying to present a balanced view. People might be making holiday plans based on a thread like this, and it could unnecessarily scare them away from making better choices.
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